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From Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Modern template hosting
Date Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:36:27 GMT
To me, that is like saying that a customer won't buy a car because he can't
figure out how to roll down his window, so let's build a voice-controlled
window controller. Can be done, sounds great, but what happens when that
voice controller thing in the cloud goes down?


On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Paul. Look at the list of things they have to
> learn/master/care about. We don't want to add to that list, we want to
> remove from that list. Make the project/product more accessible. Reduce the
> barrier to entry...
>
> On Mar 3, 2017 5:50 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <chiradeepv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seriously?
> > apt-get install apache2
> >
> > To install CloudStack, they need to know
> > - DB installation, perhaps some SQL
> > - VLAN configuration on their switches
> > - Ins-and-outs between port forwarding, static ips,
> > - NFS
> > - package management
> > - VHDs, qcow2. vmdk
> > - hyperviosrs
> > - and on and on.
> >
> > If they can figure all that out and not figure out a web server, they can
> > always come to the mailing list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The issue is not with supporting highly experienced cloud operators. It
> > is
> > > an issue for new users and other 'relatively' inexperienced operators.
> > >
> > > I have helped enough newbies and cloud operators who have been running
> > > their cloud for a while to know that the barriers to entry are too high
> > as
> > > they are. And telling anyone that they need to create a web server so
> > that
> > > they can add their initial template to get started or in order to
> create
> > a
> > > new zone, just isn't going to fly.
> > >
> > > I'm a huge advocate of the 'download.cloudstack.org' endpoint which
> the
> > > community can add/remove mirrors to or from for system VMs or built-in
> > > templates.  Can the same system be used for binary repos ? although
> there
> > > is an added complication of redist vs no-redist there...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chiradeepv@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 03 March 2017 18:28
> > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
> > >
> > > I do feel like this is early optimization. Mirrors rarely fail. I'd
> > expect
> > > a single web server hosted on Apache Infra without any monitors to fail
> > > more often than a mirror. We already expect Wido's systemvm repository
> to
> > > be up all the time. And it has been. Similarly, I don't believe Nux's
> > > repository has ever been down. And if Accelerite wants to host on S3,
> > that
> > > one is pretty solid as well.
> > >
> > > This is an infrequent operation in a cloud. After the cloud is
> installed,
> > > the download servers are only needed for a new zone. If we trust the
> user
> > > to run a cloud, surely he/she can run a web server to serve some
> built-in
> > > templates. And if her cloud is successful, she needs to figure out how
> to
> > > host her templates anyway and not rely on 3rd parties.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1) If the legacy implementations do not support redirects, that does
> > > > cause a problem.  A potential solution in that case is to have the
> web
> > > > server actually proxy the download, but that is not ideal and I would
> > > > like to avoid it if possible.  Thanks for bringing that up Chiradeep.
> > > >
> > > > 2) I think we need to have a single URL which people can target.
> Once
> > > > they make the switch to the new URL, we want the implementation to be
> > > > able to handle mirror failures without affecting the end client.  We
> > > > want to avoid the situation where an ACS user will ever have to
> change
> > > > this URL more than once.  Mirror failures SHOULD NOT affect the ACS
> > > > users assuming there is still at least one mirror who can serve the
> > > requested resource.
> > > >
> > > > These are obviously my personal opinions and others will probably
> have
> > > > differing opinions.
> > > >
> > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > Lead Developer
> > > >
> > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
> > > > <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1. If you are targeting legacy installations, they are not able to
> > > > > follow redirects. The line of code that added this capability was
> > > > > added on
> > > > 11/16.
> > > > > 2. If you trust the users to edit the database to change the URL,
> > > > > you can trust them to change it to anything. Just document a known
> > > > > list of good template locations.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Will Stevens <
> wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So the main issue I see with this is the following.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This implementation is designed to target legacy installations
> > > > > > which
> > > > will
> > > > > > be affected when download.cloud.com disappears.  These people
> will
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > make a DB change to replace the 'download.cloud.com' with some
> > > > > > other
> > > > url
> > > > > > (maybe 'download.cloudstack.org').  Once the DB has been
> updated,
> > > > > > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > not expect anything else of the client, they need to be able to
> > > > > > just continue operation as they were without any need to rebuild
> > > > > > or upgrade their ACS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we try to force the decision to the client, then we break the
> > > > > > legacy implementations.  Since the SSVM is likely going to be the
> > > > > > client in
> > > > some
> > > > > > cases, and since it does not already have the logic to handle the
> > > > > > 300 approach correctly, I feel like it is not a viable solution
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > legacy
> > > > > > deployments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to that.  I don't think the client is in any better
> > > > position
> > > > > to
> > > > > > make the mirror decision than I am.  I am likely able to make a
> > > > > > more 'educated' decision than the client would be able to because
> > > > > > I can do different tests on the endpoint(s) before making a final
> > > decision.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this make sense or am I missing something obvious?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > Lead Developer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Rafael Weingärtner <
> > > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think I understood you, but I did not understand you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me see if I can create an example to illustrate how we
> could
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > the HTTP 300 code.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The HTTP 300 code indicates clients that he/she/it has multiple
> > > > choices
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > access the requested resource. If the request is a HEAD, this
> is
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > thing that the server returns. If the request if a GET, then
> the
> > > > server
> > > > > > > returns the choices for the client. The response type is
> defined
> > > > > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > server based on the Content-Type, user agent and others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s say the server receives a GET request and informs the
> > > > > content-type
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > JSON (application/JSON). Your application could get the mirrors
> > > > > > > list,
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > the appending process for the requested resource path, and then
> > > > return
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > JSON array with the possible mirror the client can use. Then,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > client
> > > > > > > gets this list and does the processing required to select a
> > mirror.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now let’s say that a human access the link using a browser.
> > > > > > > Then, the server should receive something like (text/plain) as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > content-type;
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > think depending on the browser this field may differ a little
> > > > > > > (it
> > > > would
> > > > > > > require some checking). Anyways, the server detects that it is
> a
> > > > > “human”
> > > > > > > requesting the resource, then we could serve an HTML page with
> a
> > > > > > Javascript
> > > > > > > that uses the mirror list. This Javascript could do some
> > > > > > > checking and choose the best mirror for that specific.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do I think this approach is interesting?
> > > > > > > The application you developed would be used only to retrieve
> > > > > > > valid
> > > > and
> > > > > > > trusted sources of system VM images (a trusted repository for
> > > > > > > mirrors
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > we as a community vouch for).  Also, we shift the decision
> > > > > > > process regarding mirrors from the server to the client. Then,
> > > > > > > it is up to
> > > > > > clients
> > > > > > > to select mirrors, and not up to us (or some of our
> > > implementations).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did this help?
> > > > > > > BTW: I am not saying I am against the way you proposed, which
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > work
> > > > > > > fine. It is merely a suggestion using a different perspective.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Will Stevens <
> > > > > williamstevens@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @rafael: in general, I don't think the client should ever be
> > > > making a
> > > > > > > > choice about a mirror. We have to assume we are working with
> a
> > > > > scripted
> > > > > > > > application and anything hard coded in that implementation on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > client
> > > > > > > > side is a risk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I may not be understanding the use of the 300 approach, so I
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > it to see if I can make it fit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 9:59 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
> > > > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Will great job.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I had the same doubt as Daan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have you considered using HTTP 300 working mode? Then, we
> > > > > > > > could let
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > client decide which mirror is the best(closest?). Section
> > > “10.3.1”
> > > > of
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > talks about it; this would put the pressure on deciding upon
> a
> > > > mirror
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the client side, but I think it would be fair.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS: You really like very short variables names!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> > > > > > > daan.hoogland@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nice little thing Will,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One question: if I read the code correctly it ‘go’es and
> > > > > > > > > tries
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > mirrors
> > > > > > > > > at once and whichever responses first is redirected to the
> > > > client.
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > might well be the same every time. This might be the one
> > > > > > > > > closest
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > mirror302 and not to the client. Is that correct or did I
> > > > > > > > > miss a
> > > > > > > weighing
> > > > > > > > > algorithm hidden in there?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good coding,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 03/03/17 00:23, "Will Stevens" <swill@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     Hey All,
> > > > > > > > >     Please review this repo and tell me what you think:
> > > > > > > > >     https://github.com/swill/mirror302
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     Let me know if you have questions or you would like me
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > make
> > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > >     before I bring this topic up with ASF Infra and open a
> > > > > > > > > ticket
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >     implemented.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     *Will Stevens*
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Will Stevens <
> > > > > > > wstevens@cloudops.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     > I am building a short term solution right now.  I
> > > > > > > > > hopefully
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > have the
> > > > > > > > >     > building blocks in place by the weekend so we can
> > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > working
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > Infra
> > > > > > > > >     > to get it in place.
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > We will have a web server which we can point
> something
> > > like
> > > > > > > > >     > downloads.cloudstack.org (or whatever url) at.  Then
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > will
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > an ASF
> > > > > > > > >     > repo which tracks a mirror list and exposes a static
> > > > > > > > > site
> > > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >     > query the mirror list.
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > The web server will receive a request and will do a
> > > > > > > > > 302
> > > > > > redirect
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >     > appropriate resource on one of the mirrors.
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > This gets us started.  Legacy environments will have
> > > > > > > > > to do
> > > > a
> > > > > DB
> > > > > > > > > change to
> > > > > > > > >     > change from 'download.cloud.com' to '
> > > > > downloads.cloudstack.org'
> > > > > > > (or
> > > > > > > > >     > whatever), but otherwise it should be pretty simple.
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > We can improve how we deliver templates going
> forward,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > obviously
> > > > > > > > >     > requires some discussion still.  I will try to buy us
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > >     > implementation which solves our problems today...
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > > > >     > Lead Developer
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Abhinandan Prateek <
> > > > > > > > >     > abhinandan.prateek@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> Initial seeding is a manual step and that is not
> > > > > > > > > going to
> > > > > > change
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > >     >> future. A handy list of official places from where
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > templates
> > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > >     >> downloaded won’t harm this part of the installation.
> > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > >     >> credible who follows democratic process to publish
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > templates
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >     >> apache’s blessings.
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> Coming to urls hard coded in db, the popular
> > > > > > > > > suggestion is
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > >     >> to mirrors. This looks good but this is going to
> take
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > that has
> > > > > > > > >     >> not materialised yet. Once this change is made it
> > > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > >     >> future release like 4.11; the problem still remains
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > releases that
> > > > > > > > >     >> are already out there. In case access to
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > dropped
> > > > > > > > >     >> at some point we will have to document the procedure
> > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > people know
> > > > > > > > >     >> how to make these stable releases work. That is
> where
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > procedure
> > > > > > > > >     >> documented here https://shankerbalan.net/blog/
> > > > > > > > >     >> seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ should be
> > > > > > > > > officially
> > > > > > adapted
> > > > > > > > > with a
> > > > > > > > >     >> marketplace to pick up templates of choosing. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > we can
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > pre-setup
> > > > > > > > >     >> script to make choices instead of written wiki. Note
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >     >> anyway needed by the older releases.
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> On 01/03/17, 4:24 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> > > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >-1
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >We are trying to get MORE people to use CloudStack.
> > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > raising
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> barrier to entry does nothing to help that.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > > > > > >     >> >@shapeblue
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >     >> >From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:
> abhinandan.prateek@
> > > > > > > > shapeblue.com]
> > > > > > > > >     >> >Sent: 01 March 2017 09:39
> > > > > > > > >     >> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > > > > > >     >> >Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >+1
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >After seeing this discussion running in circles
> > > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > times,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > >     >> we should at least get started with the simplest
> > option.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >On 27/02/17, 11:54 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> > > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>The alternative foolproof way is to simply not
> > > > > > > > > provide
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > automatic
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>download.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>Just document the mirror list URL where the
> > > > > > > > > templates
> > > > can
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > found. I
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>don't know why people reject this option.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-
> > > > > > > > templates-offline/
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Will Stevens
> > > > > > > > >     >> >><williamstevens@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> OK. Thanks for the heads up.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> > > > > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >     >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Sounds workable. The downloader code in the
> > > > > > > > > SSVM
> > > > won't
> > > > > > > > follow
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > redirects I think.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/
> > > > > > > > 5511065fc20787619d
> > > > > > > > > 9cd0444
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > a65a3 155fc9c921/core/src/com/cloud/
> > > > storage/template/
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > HttpTemplateDownloader.java#L93
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://goo.gl/dSi0r5
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> >  Might need to add
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > client.setRedirectStrategy(new
> > > > LaxRedirectStrategy());
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Will Stevens
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > We haven't opened a ticket yet because we
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > strategy
> > > > > > > > >     >> yet.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > What do you guys think of this:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - We setup a new github repo in the 'apache'
> > > > > > > > > org
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > consists
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > of a
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > single
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > file with a list of active/supported
> mirrors.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - I write a small web server, distributed as
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > binary,
> > > > > > > > > which can
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > be
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > hosted
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > by ASF Infra.  This web server will query
> the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirrors
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> and
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > will select one and then do a 302 redirect
> to
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > mirror.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > The act of 'choosing' a mirror could be done
> > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > ways.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to define an order, then it
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > just
> > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > top of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > list and work its way down.  It would curl
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > target
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > sure it
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > gets
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > a 200 and if it does, it would do a 302
> > > redirect.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - Or, if we want to distribute the load
> > > > > > > > > across the
> > > > > > > > mirrors,
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > could
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> pick
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > from the list randomly.  Again, doing a curl
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > verify
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > mirror
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > is up
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > and
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > then doing a redirect.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to get fancy, we could do a
> > > > > > > > > reverse
> > > > IP
> > > > > > > lookup
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > try to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > match
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > the requester with their closest
> geographical
> > > > > mirror.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Lead Developer
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Chiradeep
> > > > Vittal <
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> chiradeepv@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > What steps are needed to set up a mirror?
> > > > > > > > > What
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > > Infra
> > > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > >     >> to do?
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Has
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > anybody filed a ticket with Infra?
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Raja
> > > Pullela <
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > raja.pullela@accelerite.com>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Hi will,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > I believe, we didn’t get to close
> > > > > > > > > ‘getting a
> > > > > > mirror
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > Apache’
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > because
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > we
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > needed someone on the Apache Infra side
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > close
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > BTW,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cloudstack-apt.get.eu (I think Nux
> > > > > > > > > manages
> > > > > this?)
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > all/most of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > content.  Once we can close on the
> Apache
> > > > mirror
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > hosting
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > content, I
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > can help assist getting the content
> there.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > For now, we have replicated the
> > > > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > > > > content to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > ‘ s3.download.accelerite.com’.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Also, we are working on a set of
> > > > steps/procedure
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > help with
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > this change.  I will update everyone in
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > a
> > > > > > > week’s
> > > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Raja Pullela
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Engineering Team,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Accelerite, 2055 Laurelwood Road, Santa
> > > > > > > > > Clara,
> > > > > CA,
> > > > > > > > 95054
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On 2/24/17, 11:23 PM, "
> > > > williamstevens@gmail.com
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > behalf of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Will Stevens" <williamstevens@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > behalf
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > unfortunately the template mirror
> > > > > > > > > conversation
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > > > caught up
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > and
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > nobody took the lead on implementing a
> > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > citrix has been pinging me every couple
> > > > > > > > > months
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > 'dude,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> need
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > remove the dependency on
> > > > > > > > > download.citrix.com
> > > > ',
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > have not
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > had
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cycles to get in and solve the problem.
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > shutdown
> > > > > > > > > of that
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > imminent
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > right now, so we need to solve it asap.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Lead Developer
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Paul
> > > Angus <
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Hi Nathan,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ideally, if you put the template
> > > > > > > > > location in
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > template
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > defined
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in)  test_data.py then the actual
> > > > > > > > > location
> > > > can
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > overridden by
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > anyone
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > testing.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > For Trillian, we've copied all of the
> > > > > templates
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > define
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > a local repo and then replace the URLs
> > > > > > > > > in test_data.py to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > reduce
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > bandwidth
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > use and download times.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ie:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >             "bootableIso":
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                 {
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "displaytext":
> "Test
> > > > > > Bootable
> > > > > > > > > ISO",
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "name": "testISO",
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "bootable": True,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ispublic": False,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "url": "{{
> > > > > > > > marvin_images_location
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > }}/TinyCore-current.iso",
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ostype": 'Other
> > Linux
> > > > > > > > (64-bit)',
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "mode":
> > > 'HTTP_DOWNLOAD'
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >         },
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > I thought that we had come up with a
> > > > solution
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > ,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > by
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > having a mirrorlist hosted in
> Community
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > 'space' with
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> anyone
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > able
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > out themselves forward as a mirror.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > But I must admit I lost track of
> > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> requisite
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in code....
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden,
> London
> > > > WC2N
> > > > > > > 4HSUK
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Sent: 24 February 2017 16:30
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > this is a hard questions.  in general,
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > setting
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > up a
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirror
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > some cloudstack/apache domain and then
> > > > mirror
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > provided
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > templates.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > we MUST come up with a solution to
> > > deprecate
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 'download.cloud.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> ',
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > that
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > is going to be going away any day now.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > i don't know the right way to solve
> > > > > > > > > this to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > honest, but
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > if you
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > have
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > ideas, i am willing to help.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Lead Developer
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:25 AM,
> > > > > > > > > Nathan
> > > > > > Johnson <
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> njohnson@ena.com
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > So not to re-open a can of worms,
> but
> > > > > > > > > I’m
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > situation
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> I
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > need
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > to come up with a Marvin component
> > > > > > > > > test
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > depends on a
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > template
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > based on a kernel that’s relatively
> > > > > > > > > new,
> > > > > i.e.,
> > > > > > > > > newer than
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> Centos
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > 5.3
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > /
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ubuntu 10.04 .
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > I see openvm.eu has a suitable
> > > > > > > > > template
> > > > > > (Ubuntu
> > > > > > > > > 16.0.4
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> KVM),
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > but
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from looking at the thread
> "Migrating
> > > > > > CloudStack
> > > > > > > > > content
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from download.cloud.com” it looks
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > resistance to using
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > this
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > at
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > least for hosting system vm
> templates
> > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > concerns
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > neutrality.
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Would this be suitable for a
> > > > > > > > > component
> > > > test?
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > not,
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > what is a
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > “blessed”
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > template location?
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Nathan Johnson
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > R&D Engineer
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > 618 Grassmere Park Drive, Suite 12
> > > > > Nashville,
> > > > > > TN
> > > > > > > > > 37211
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > General Office: 615-312-6000
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > website | blog | support
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
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