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From Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Modern template hosting
Date Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:33:09 GMT
I will be guessing and we will see what I can come up with. :)

On Mar 3, 2017 7:09 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:

> Feel free to do it, I wouldn't know where to begin to ask such a
> question tbh :-)
>
> --
> Erik
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Erik, yes I think this is the right approach and covers the main problem
> > case. I can start the conversation with infra unless you would like to.
> Let
> > me know.
> >
> > We did get some statistics from the other mirrors last year, but I don't
> > think we ever had visibility into the cloud.com repository traffic.
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It'll most likely only be an issue in the case where a mirror goes
> > down without any immediate chance of getting back up, right?
> > Could we check with ASF Infra beforehand if such case is OK to warrant
> > an urgent Jira ticket to resolve - should it happen?
> >
> > We can document all the mirrors and provide the howtos for manually
> > downloading and seeding the image as a backup.
> >
> > Do we have any traffic statistics for the current solution, or is that
> > not available at S3?
> >
> > --
> > Erik
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Yes Erik, I agree with you. The only thing that could add complexity in
> >> this is the fact that we don't control the domain, the ASF does (from
> what
> >> I understand).  Do we expect this to be managed by ASF infra or would
> > there
> >> be another way? Ideally the domain is community controlled so we can
> adapt
> >> in case of change without long delays.
> >>
> >> I am 100% in agreement that this is the shortest path and likely to be
> > good
> >> enough.
> >>
> >> On Mar 3, 2017 6:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> IMHO; implement it as simple as possible, use DNS RR and assume/expect
> >> mirror hosts to use the same path.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes I know; DNS RR isn't bulletproof, but as already mentioned in this
> >> thread - mirrors rarely go down and they aren't used all that often
> >> (primarily seeding).
> >> We can keep a low TTL on the record so that we're able to remove a
> >> mirror that goes down for a significant period of time (more than
> >> hours).
> >>
> >> And yes I know, some operators might find it a burden having to set up
> >> a new vhost with another document root, but tbh if they don't care
> >> enough to do it we'll manage without that mirror.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Erik
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> I agree with Paul. Look at the list of things they have to
> >>> learn/master/care about. We don't want to add to that list, we want to
> >>> remove from that list. Make the project/product more accessible. Reduce
> >> the
> >>> barrier to entry...
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2017 5:50 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Seriously?
> >>>> apt-get install apache2
> >>>>
> >>>> To install CloudStack, they need to know
> >>>> - DB installation, perhaps some SQL
> >>>> - VLAN configuration on their switches
> >>>> - Ins-and-outs between port forwarding, static ips,
> >>>> - NFS
> >>>> - package management
> >>>> - VHDs, qcow2. vmdk
> >>>> - hyperviosrs
> >>>> - and on and on.
> >>>>
> >>>> If they can figure all that out and not figure out a web server, they
> > can
> >>>> always come to the mailing list.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > The issue is not with supporting highly experienced cloud operators.
> > It
> >>>> is
> >>>> > an issue for new users and other 'relatively' inexperienced
> operators.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have helped enough newbies and cloud operators who have been
> running
> >>>> > their cloud for a while to know that the barriers to entry are too
> > high
> >>>> as
> >>>> > they are. And telling anyone that they need to create a web server
> so
> >>>> that
> >>>> > they can add their initial template to get started or in order to
> >> create
> >>>> a
> >>>> > new zone, just isn't going to fly.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm a huge advocate of the 'download.cloudstack.org' endpoint which
> > the
> >>>> > community can add/remove mirrors to or from for system VMs or
> built-in
> >>>> > templates.  Can the same system be used for binary repos ? although
> >> there
> >>>> > is an added complication of redist vs no-redist there...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >>>> > @shapeblue
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>> > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chiradeepv@gmail.com]
> >>>> > Sent: 03 March 2017 18:28
> >>>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >>>> > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I do feel like this is early optimization. Mirrors rarely fail. I'd
> >>>> expect
> >>>> > a single web server hosted on Apache Infra without any monitors to
> > fail
> >>>> > more often than a mirror. We already expect Wido's systemvm
> repository
> >> to
> >>>> > be up all the time. And it has been. Similarly, I don't believe
> Nux's
> >>>> > repository has ever been down. And if Accelerite wants to host on
> S3,
> >>>> that
> >>>> > one is pretty solid as well.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > This is an infrequent operation in a cloud. After the cloud is
> >> installed,
> >>>> > the download servers are only needed for a new zone. If we trust the
> >> user
> >>>> > to run a cloud, surely he/she can run a web server to serve some
> >> built-in
> >>>> > templates. And if her cloud is successful, she needs to figure out
> how
> >> to
> >>>> > host her templates anyway and not rely on 3rd parties.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com
> >
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > 1) If the legacy implementations do not support redirects, that
> does
> >>>> > > cause a problem.  A potential solution in that case is to have the
> >> web
> >>>> > > server actually proxy the download, but that is not ideal and I
> > would
> >>>> > > like to avoid it if possible.  Thanks for bringing that up
> > Chiradeep.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > 2) I think we need to have a single URL which people can target.
> >> Once
> >>>> > > they make the switch to the new URL, we want the implementation to
> > be
> >>>> > > able to handle mirror failures without affecting the end client.
> We
> >>>> > > want to avoid the situation where an ACS user will ever have to
> >> change
> >>>> > > this URL more than once.  Mirror failures SHOULD NOT affect the
> ACS
> >>>> > > users assuming there is still at least one mirror who can serve
> the
> >>>> > requested resource.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > These are obviously my personal opinions and others will probably
> >> have
> >>>> > > differing opinions.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > Lead Developer
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
> >>>> > > <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > > 1. If you are targeting legacy installations, they are not able
> to
> >>>> > > > follow redirects. The line of code that added this capability
> was
> >>>> > > > added on
> >>>> > > 11/16.
> >>>> > > > 2. If you trust the users to edit the database to change the
> URL,
> >>>> > > > you can trust them to change it to anything. Just document a
> known
> >>>> > > > list of good template locations.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Will Stevens <
> > wstevens@cloudops.com
> >>>
> >>>> > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > So the main issue I see with this is the following.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > This implementation is designed to target legacy installations
> >>>> > > > > which
> >>>> > > will
> >>>> > > > > be affected when download.cloud.com disappears.  These people
> >> will
> >>>> > > need
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > make a DB change to replace the 'download.cloud.com' with
> some
> >>>> > > > > other
> >>>> > > url
> >>>> > > > > (maybe 'download.cloudstack.org').  Once the DB has been
> > updated,
> >>>> > > > > we
> >>>> > > can
> >>>> > > > > not expect anything else of the client, they need to be able
> to
> >>>> > > > > just continue operation as they were without any need to
> rebuild
> >>>> > > > > or upgrade their ACS.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > If we try to force the decision to the client, then we break
> the
> >>>> > > > > legacy implementations.  Since the SSVM is likely going to be
> > the
> >>>> > > > > client in
> >>>> > > some
> >>>> > > > > cases, and since it does not already have the logic to handle
> > the
> >>>> > > > > 300 approach correctly, I feel like it is not a viable
> solution
> >>>> > > > > for the
> >>>> > > > legacy
> >>>> > > > > deployments.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > In addition to that.  I don't think the client is in any
> better
> >>>> > > position
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > make the mirror decision than I am.  I am likely able to make
> a
> >>>> > > > > more 'educated' decision than the client would be able to
> > because
> >>>> > > > > I can do different tests on the endpoint(s) before making a
> > final
> >>>> > decision.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > Does this make sense or am I missing something obvious?
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > > > Lead Developer
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Rafael Weingärtner <
> >>>> > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > I think I understood you, but I did not understand you.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Let me see if I can create an example to illustrate how we
> >> could
> >>>> > > > > > do
> >>>> > > > using
> >>>> > > > > > the HTTP 300 code.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > The HTTP 300 code indicates clients that he/she/it has
> > multiple
> >>>> > > choices
> >>>> > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > access the requested resource. If the request is a HEAD,
> this
> >> is
> >>>> > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > only
> >>>> > > > > > thing that the server returns. If the request if a GET, then
> >> the
> >>>> > > server
> >>>> > > > > > returns the choices for the client. The response type is
> >> defined
> >>>> > > > > > on
> >>>> > > the
> >>>> > > > > > server based on the Content-Type, user agent and others.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Let’s say the server receives a GET request and informs the
> >>>> > > > content-type
> >>>> > > > > as
> >>>> > > > > > JSON (application/JSON). Your application could get the
> > mirrors
> >>>> > > > > > list,
> >>>> > > > do
> >>>> > > > > > the appending process for the requested resource path, and
> > then
> >>>> > > return
> >>>> > > > a
> >>>> > > > > > JSON array with the possible mirror the client can use.
> Then,
> >>>> > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > client
> >>>> > > > > > gets this list and does the processing required to select a
> >>>> mirror.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Now let’s say that a human access the link using a browser.
> >>>> > > > > > Then, the server should receive something like (text/plain)
> as
> >>>> > > > > > the
> >>>> > > content-type;
> >>>> > > > I
> >>>> > > > > > think depending on the browser this field may differ a
> little
> >>>> > > > > > (it
> >>>> > > would
> >>>> > > > > > require some checking). Anyways, the server detects that it
> is
> >> a
> >>>> > > > “human”
> >>>> > > > > > requesting the resource, then we could serve an HTML page
> with
> >> a
> >>>> > > > > Javascript
> >>>> > > > > > that uses the mirror list. This Javascript could do some
> >>>> > > > > > checking and choose the best mirror for that specific.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Why do I think this approach is interesting?
> >>>> > > > > > The application you developed would be used only to retrieve
> >>>> > > > > > valid
> >>>> > > and
> >>>> > > > > > trusted sources of system VM images (a trusted repository
> for
> >>>> > > > > > mirrors
> >>>> > > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > we as a community vouch for).  Also, we shift the decision
> >>>> > > > > > process regarding mirrors from the server to the client.
> Then,
> >>>> > > > > > it is up to
> >>>> > > > > clients
> >>>> > > > > > to select mirrors, and not up to us (or some of our
> >>>> > implementations).
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Did this help?
> >>>> > > > > > BTW: I am not saying I am against the way you proposed,
> which
> >>>> > > > > > would
> >>>> > > > work
> >>>> > > > > > fine. It is merely a suggestion using a different
> perspective.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Will Stevens <
> >>>> > > > williamstevens@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > @rafael: in general, I don't think the client should ever
> be
> >>>> > > making a
> >>>> > > > > > > choice about a mirror. We have to assume we are working
> with
> >> a
> >>>> > > > scripted
> >>>> > > > > > > application and anything hard coded in that implementation
> > on
> >>>> > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > client
> >>>> > > > > > > side is a risk.
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > I may not be understanding the use of the 300 approach,
> so I
> >>>> > > > > > > will
> >>>> > > > > > research
> >>>> > > > > > > it to see if I can make it fit.
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 9:59 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
> >>>> > > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > Will great job.
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > I had the same doubt as Daan.
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > Have you considered using HTTP 300 working mode? Then, we
> >>>> > > > > > > could let
> >>>> > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > client decide which mirror is the best(closest?). Section
> >>>> > “10.3.1”
> >>>> > > of
> >>>> > > > > [1]
> >>>> > > > > > > talks about it; this would put the pressure on deciding
> upon
> >> a
> >>>> > > mirror
> >>>> > > > > on
> >>>> > > > > > > the client side, but I think it would be fair.
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/Protocols/
> rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > PS: You really like very short variables names!
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> >>>> > > > > > daan.hoogland@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > Nice little thing Will,
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > One question: if I read the code correctly it ‘go’es and
> >>>> > > > > > > > tries
> >>>> > > all
> >>>> > > > > > > mirrors
> >>>> > > > > > > > at once and whichever responses first is redirected to
> the
> >>>> > > client.
> >>>> > > > > This
> >>>> > > > > > > > might well be the same every time. This might be the one
> >>>> > > > > > > > closest
> >>>> > > to
> >>>> > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > mirror302 and not to the client. Is that correct or did
> I
> >>>> > > > > > > > miss a
> >>>> > > > > > weighing
> >>>> > > > > > > > algorithm hidden in there?
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > Good coding,
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > On 03/03/17 00:23, "Will Stevens" <swill@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     Hey All,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     Please review this repo and tell me what you think:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     https://github.com/swill/mirror302
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     Let me know if you have questions or you would like
> me
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > make
> >>>> > > > > > > changes
> >>>> > > > > > > >     before I bring this topic up with ASF Infra and
> open a
> >>>> > > > > > > > ticket
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > get
> >>>> > > > > > > > this
> >>>> > > > > > > >     implemented.
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     Cheers,
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     *Will Stevens*
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Will Stevens <
> >>>> > > > > > wstevens@cloudops.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > I am building a short term solution right now.  I
> >>>> > > > > > > > hopefully
> >>>> > > > > will
> >>>> > > > > > > > have the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > building blocks in place by the weekend so we can
> >>>> > > > > > > > start
> >>>> > > > working
> >>>> > > > > > > with
> >>>> > > > > > > > Infra
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > to get it in place.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > We will have a web server which we can point
> >> something
> >>>> > like
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > downloads.cloudstack.org (or whatever url) at.
> Then
> >>>> > > > > > > > we
> >>>> > > will
> >>>> > > > > > have
> >>>> > > > > > > > an ASF
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > repo which tracks a mirror list and exposes a
> static
> >>>> > > > > > > > site
> >>>> > > to
> >>>> > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > able
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > query the mirror list.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > The web server will receive a request and will do
> a
> >>>> > > > > > > > 302
> >>>> > > > > redirect
> >>>> > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > appropriate resource on one of the mirrors.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > This gets us started.  Legacy environments will
> have
> >>>> > > > > > > > to do
> >>>> > > a
> >>>> > > > DB
> >>>> > > > > > > > change to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > change from 'download.cloud.com' to '
> >>>> > > > downloads.cloudstack.org'
> >>>> > > > > > (or
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > whatever), but otherwise it should be pretty
> simple.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > We can improve how we deliver templates going
> >> forward,
> >>>> > > > > > > > but
> >>>> > > > this
> >>>> > > > > > > > obviously
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > requires some discussion still.  I will try to buy
> > us
> >>>> > > > > > > > some
> >>>> > > > time
> >>>> > > > > > > with
> >>>> > > > > > > > an
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > implementation which solves our problems today...
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > Lead Developer
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Abhinandan
> Prateek <
> >>>> > > > > > > >     > abhinandan.prateek@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> Initial seeding is a manual step and that is not
> >>>> > > > > > > > going to
> >>>> > > > > change
> >>>> > > > > > > in
> >>>> > > > > > > > near
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> future. A handy list of official places from
> where
> >>>> > > > > > > > these
> >>>> > > > > > templates
> >>>> > > > > > > > can be
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> downloaded won’t harm this part of the
> > installation.
> >>>> > > > > > > > Just
> >>>> > > > > allow
> >>>> > > > > > > > anyone
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> credible who follows democratic process to
> publish
> >>>> > > > > > > > their
> >>>> > > > > > templates
> >>>> > > > > > > > with
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> apache’s blessings.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> Coming to urls hard coded in db, the popular
> >>>> > > > > > > > suggestion is
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > point
> >>>> > > > > > > > them
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> to mirrors. This looks good but this is going to
> >> take
> >>>> > > > > > > > some
> >>>> > > > > > effort
> >>>> > > > > > > > that has
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> not materialised yet. Once this change is made it
> >>>> > > > > > > > will be
> >>>> > > > > going
> >>>> > > > > > in
> >>>> > > > > > > > some
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> future release like 4.11; the problem still
> remains
> >>>> > > > > > > > for
> >>>> > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > releases that
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> are already out there. In case access to
> >>>> > > download.cloud.com
> >>>> > > > > is
> >>>> > > > > > > > dropped
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> at some point we will have to document the
> > procedure
> >>>> > > > > > > > such
> >>>> > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > > > people know
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> how to make these stable releases work. That is
> >> where
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > procedure
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> documented here https://shankerbalan.net/blog/
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ should be
> >>>> > > > > > > > officially
> >>>> > > > > adapted
> >>>> > > > > > > > with a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> marketplace to pick up templates of choosing.
> Maybe
> >>>> > > > > > > > we can
> >>>> > > > > have
> >>>> > > > > > a
> >>>> > > > > > > > pre-setup
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> script to make choices instead of written wiki.
> > Note
> >>>> > > > > > > > that
> >>>> > > > this
> >>>> > > > > > > will
> >>>> > > > > > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> anyway needed by the older releases.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> On 01/03/17, 4:24 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> >>>> > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >-1
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >We are trying to get MORE people to use
> > CloudStack.
> >>>> > > > > > > > And
> >>>> > > > > > raising
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> barrier to entry does nothing to help that.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Kind regards,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Paul Angus
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> > 4HSUK
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >@shapeblue
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >-----Original Message-----
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:
> >> abhinandan.prateek@
> >>>> > > > > > > shapeblue.com]
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Sent: 01 March 2017 09:39
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >+1
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >After seeing this discussion running in circles
> >>>> > > > > > > > several
> >>>> > > > > times,
> >>>> > > > > > I
> >>>> > > > > > > > think
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> we should at least get started with the simplest
> >>>> option.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >On 27/02/17, 11:54 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> >>>> > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>The alternative foolproof way is to simply not
> >>>> > > > > > > > provide
> >>>> > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > automatic
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>download.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>Just document the mirror list URL where the
> >>>> > > > > > > > templates
> >>>> > > can
> >>>> > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > > found. I
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>don't know why people reject this option.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-
> >>>> > > > > > > templates-offline/
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Will Stevens
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >><williamstevens@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> OK. Thanks for the heads up.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> >>>> > > > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Sounds workable. The downloader code in the
> >>>> > > > > > > > SSVM
> >>>> > > won't
> >>>> > > > > > > follow
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > redirects I think.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/
> >>>> > > > > > > 5511065fc20787619d
> >>>> > > > > > > > 9cd0444
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > a65a3 155fc9c921/core/src/com/cloud/
> >>>> > > storage/template/
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > HttpTemplateDownloader.java#L93
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://goo.gl/dSi0r5
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >  Might need to add
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > client.setRedirectStrategy(new
> >>>> > > LaxRedirectStrategy());
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Will
> Stevens
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > We haven't opened a ticket yet because we
> >>>> > > > > > > > don't
> >>>> > > > have a
> >>>> > > > > > > > strategy
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> yet.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > What do you guys think of this:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - We setup a new github repo in the
> > 'apache'
> >>>> > > > > > > > org
> >>>> > > > which
> >>>> > > > > > > > consists
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > of a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > single
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > file with a list of active/supported
> >> mirrors.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - I write a small web server, distributed
> > as
> >>>> > > > > > > > a
> >>>> > > > binary,
> >>>> > > > > > > > which can
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > hosted
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > by ASF Infra.  This web server will query
> >> the
> >>>> > > > current
> >>>> > > > > > list
> >>>> > > > > > > > of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirrors
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> and
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > will select one and then do a 302
> redirect
> >> to
> >>>> > > > > > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > mirror.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > The act of 'choosing' a mirror could be
> > done
> >>>> > > > > > > > in a
> >>>> > > > > number
> >>>> > > > > > > of
> >>>> > > > > > > > ways.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to define an order, then it
> >>>> > > > > > > > could
> >>>> > > just
> >>>> > > > > try
> >>>> > > > > > > > from the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > top of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > list and work its way down.  It would
> curl
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > target
> >>>> > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > make
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > sure it
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > gets
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > a 200 and if it does, it would do a 302
> >>>> > redirect.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - Or, if we want to distribute the load
> >>>> > > > > > > > across the
> >>>> > > > > > > mirrors,
> >>>> > > > > > > > we
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > could
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> pick
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > from the list randomly.  Again, doing a
> > curl
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > verify
> >>>> > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > mirror
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > is up
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > and
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > then doing a redirect.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to get fancy, we could do a
> >>>> > > > > > > > reverse
> >>>> > > IP
> >>>> > > > > > lookup
> >>>> > > > > > > > and
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > try to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > match
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > the requester with their closest
> >> geographical
> >>>> > > > mirror.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Thoughts?
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Lead Developer
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM,
> Chiradeep
> >>>> > > Vittal <
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> chiradeepv@gmail.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > What steps are needed to set up a
> mirror?
> >>>> > > > > > > > What
> >>>> > > > does
> >>>> > > > > > > Infra
> >>>> > > > > > > > need
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> to do?
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Has
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > anybody filed a ticket with Infra?
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Raja
> >>>> > Pullela <
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > raja.pullela@accelerite.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Hi will,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > I believe, we didn’t get to close
> >>>> > > > > > > > ‘getting a
> >>>> > > > > mirror
> >>>> > > > > > on
> >>>> > > > > > > > Apache’
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > because
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > we
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > needed someone on the Apache Infra
> side
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > close
> >>>> > > > > > this.
> >>>> > > > > > > > BTW,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cloudstack-apt.get.eu (I think Nux
> >>>> > > > > > > > manages
> >>>> > > > this?)
> >>>> > > > > > has
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > all/most of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > content.  Once we can close on the
> >> Apache
> >>>> > > mirror
> >>>> > > > > for
> >>>> > > > > > > > hosting
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > content, I
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > can help assist getting the content
> >> there.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > For now, we have replicated the
> >>>> > > > > download.cloud.com
> >>>> > > > > > > > content to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > ‘ s3.download.accelerite.com’.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Also, we are working on a set of
> >>>> > > steps/procedure
> >>>> > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > help with
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > this change.  I will update everyone
> in
> >>>> > > > > > > > about
> >>>> > > a
> >>>> > > > > > week’s
> >>>> > > > > > > > time
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Best,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Raja Pullela
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Engineering Team,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Accelerite, 2055 Laurelwood Road,
> Santa
> >>>> > > > > > > > Clara,
> >>>> > > > CA,
> >>>> > > > > > > 95054
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On 2/24/17, 11:23 PM, "
> >>>> > > williamstevens@gmail.com
> >>>> > > > > on
> >>>> > > > > > > > behalf of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Will Stevens" <
> williamstevens@gmail.com
> >>>> > > > > > > > on
> >>>> > > > behalf
> >>>> > > > > > of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wstevens@cloudops.com>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > unfortunately the template mirror
> >>>> > > > > > > > conversation
> >>>> > > > got
> >>>> > > > > > > > caught up
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > in
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > and
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > nobody took the lead on implementing
> a
> >>>> > > solution.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > citrix has been pinging me every
> couple
> >>>> > > > > > > > months
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > say
> >>>> > > > > > > > 'dude,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > we
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> need
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > remove the dependency on
> >>>> > > > > > > > download.citrix.com
> >>>> > > ',
> >>>> > > > > but
> >>>> > > > > > i
> >>>> > > > > > > > have not
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > had
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cycles to get in and solve the
> problem.
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > shutdown
> >>>> > > > > > > > of that
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > is
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > imminent
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > right now, so we need to solve it
> asap.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Lead Developer
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM,
> Paul
> >>>> > Angus <
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Hi Nathan,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ideally, if you put the template
> >>>> > > > > > > > location in
> >>>> > > > (or
> >>>> > > > > > use
> >>>> > > > > > > a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > template
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > defined
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in)  test_data.py then the actual
> >>>> > > > > > > > location
> >>>> > > can
> >>>> > > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > overridden by
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > anyone
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > testing.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > For Trillian, we've copied all of
> the
> >>>> > > > templates
> >>>> > > > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > > > people
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > have
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > define
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > a local repo and then replace the
> > URLs
> >>>> > > > > > > > in test_data.py to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > reduce
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > bandwidth
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > use and download times.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ie:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >             "bootableIso":
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                 {
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "displaytext":
> >> "Test
> >>>> > > > > Bootable
> >>>> > > > > > > > ISO",
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "name":
> > "testISO",
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "bootable":
> True,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ispublic":
> > False,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "url": "{{
> >>>> > > > > > > marvin_images_location
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > }}/TinyCore-current.iso",
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ostype":
> 'Other
> >>>> Linux
> >>>> > > > > > > (64-bit)',
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "mode":
> >>>> > 'HTTP_DOWNLOAD'
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >         },
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > I thought that we had come up with
> a
> >>>> > > solution
> >>>> > > > > for
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > download.cloud.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > ,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > by
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > having a mirrorlist hosted in
> >> Community
> >>>> > > Apache
> >>>> > > > > > > > 'space' with
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> anyone
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > able
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > out themselves forward as a mirror.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > But I must admit I lost track of
> >>>> > > > > > > > whether
> >>>> > > > anyone
> >>>> > > > > > made
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> requisite
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > changes
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in code....
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Kind regards,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Paul Angus
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden,
> >> London
> >>>> > > WC2N
> >>>> > > > > > 4HSUK
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > @shapeblue
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com]
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Sent: 24 February 2017 16:30
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Modern template
> hosting
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > this is a hard questions.  in
> > general,
> >>>> > > > > > > > we
> >>>> > > > should
> >>>> > > > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > > setting
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > up a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirror
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > some cloudstack/apache domain and
> > then
> >>>> > > mirror
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > other
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > provided
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > templates.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > we MUST come up with a solution to
> >>>> > deprecate
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 'download.cloud.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> ',
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > is going to be going away any day
> > now.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > i don't know the right way to solve
> >>>> > > > > > > > this to
> >>>> > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > > honest, but
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > if you
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > have
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > ideas, i am willing to help.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Lead Developer
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:25 AM,
> >>>> > > > > > > > Nathan
> >>>> > > > > Johnson <
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> njohnson@ena.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > So not to re-open a can of worms,
> >> but
> >>>> > > > > > > > I’m
> >>>> > > > in a
> >>>> > > > > > > > situation
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > where
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> I
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > need
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > to come up with a Marvin
> component
> >>>> > > > > > > > test
> >>>> > > that
> >>>> > > > > > > > depends on a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > template
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > based on a kernel that’s
> relatively
> >>>> > > > > > > > new,
> >>>> > > > i.e.,
> >>>> > > > > > > > newer than
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> Centos
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > 5.3
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > /
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ubuntu 10.04 .
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > I see openvm.eu has a suitable
> >>>> > > > > > > > template
> >>>> > > > > (Ubuntu
> >>>> > > > > > > > 16.0.4
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > for
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> KVM),
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > but
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from looking at the thread
> >> "Migrating
> >>>> > > > > CloudStack
> >>>> > > > > > > > content
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from download.cloud.com” it
> looks
> >>>> > > > > > > > like
> >>>> > > > there
> >>>> > > > > is
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > resistance to using
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > this
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > at
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > least for hosting system vm
> >> templates
> >>>> > > > > > > > over
> >>>> > > > > > > concerns
> >>>> > > > > > > > of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > neutrality.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Would this be suitable for a
> >>>> > > > > > > > component
> >>>> > > test?
> >>>> > > > > If
> >>>> > > > > > > > not,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > what is a
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > “blessed”
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > template location?
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance!
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Nathan Johnson
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > R&D Engineer
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > 618 Grassmere Park Drive, Suite
> 12
> >>>> > > > Nashville,
> >>>> > > > > TN
> >>>> > > > > > > > 37211
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > General Office: 615-312-6000
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > website | blog | support
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > DISCLAIMER
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > ==========
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > This e-mail may contain privileged
> and
> >>>> > > > > confidential
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > information
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> which
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > is
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > the property of Accelerite, a
> > Persistent
> >>>> > > Systems
> >>>> > > > > > > > business. It
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > is
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > intended
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > only for the use of the individual or
> >>>> > > > > > > > entity
> >>>> > > to
> >>>> > > > > > which
> >>>> > > > > > > > it is
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > addressed.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > If
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > you are not the intended recipient,
> you
> >>>> > > > > > > > are
> >>>> > > not
> >>>> > > > > > > > authorized to
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > read,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > retain,
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > copy, print, distribute or use this
> >>>> message.
> >>>> > > If
> >>>> > > > > you
> >>>> > > > > > > have
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > received
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > this
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > communication in error, please notify
> >> the
> >>>> > > sender
> >>>> > > > > and
> >>>> > > > > > > > delete
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > all
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > copies
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > of
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > this message. Accelerite, a
> Persistent
> >>>> > > > > > > > Systems
> >>>> > > > > > > business
> >>>> > > > > > > > does
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > not
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > accept
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > any
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > liability for virus infected mails.
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >abhinandan.prateek@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> > 4HSUK
> >>>> > > > > @shapeblue
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> abhinandan.prateek@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> 4HSUK
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >> @shapeblue
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >>
> >>>> > > > > > > >     >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > daan.hoogland@shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> >>>> > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >>>> > > > > > > > @shapeblue
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > --
> >>>> > > > > > > Rafael Weingärtner
> >>>> > > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > --
> >>>> > > > > > Rafael Weingärtner
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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