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From John Burwell <john.burw...@shapeblue.com>
Subject Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2016 12:56:08 GMT
Chiradeep,

I am +1 to using a mirror list downloaded from downloads.cloudstack.apache.org via https only (i.e. https://downloads.cloudstack.apache.org/mirror.lst).  This approach seems to be a common approach employed by other Apache projects that need to provided downloadable assets.  Therefore, I would imagine it would be something ASF Infra would be able to support.

It also seems like we should have a hashes of a assets hosted on downloads.cloudstack.apache.org in order to allow users to verify that mirror has not been corrupted.

Anyone opposed to targeting this change for the next round of releases -- 4.9.2.0, 4.10.1.0, and 4.11.0.0?

Thanks,
-John


john.burwell@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London VA WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chiradeepv@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe that there is already a new site, but the software still points
> to download.cloud.com.  There was also discussion about
> - building mirror sites instead of a SPOF site
> - eliminating the automatic download of templates and updating the
> documentation on use of offline templates.
> Older releases may not be changed, but users need to be notified and
> documentation needs to be updated and publicized.
> 
> Thread here:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-dev/201605.mbox/thread?4
> 
> We should ask for the download.cloud.com site to be taken offline for 24
> hours to see how many people scream, perhaps then the community will swing
> into action?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rajesh Ramchandani <
> rajesh.ramchandani@accelerite.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are we looking for new server to host this site?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
>> chiradeepv@gmail.com<mailto:chiradeepv@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
>> property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
>>> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
>>> these folks stranded.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
>>>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>> @shapeblue
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
>>>> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
>>>> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
>>>> decide on the next steps.
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Raja Pullela
>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>> Accelerate,
>>>> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite<http://www.
>> accelerite.com,@accelerite>
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
>>>>> few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
>>>>> download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
>>>>> hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
>>>> that last date.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>>>>> <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
>>>>>> a. Install System VM Templates:
>>>>>> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
>>>>>> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
>>>>>>> enter OS (linux only)
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04
>>>>>>  ....Installing...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually
>>>>>>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company
>>>>>>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the
>>>>>>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be
>>>>>>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to
>>>>>>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an
>>>>>>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Will STEVENS*
>>>>>>> Lead Developer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>>>>>>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
>>>>>>> tw @CloudOps_
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland
>>>>>>> <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere
>>>>>>>> on apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well,
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> we.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>>>>> rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier
>>>>>>>>>> (templates.cloudstack.org),
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>> for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a
>>>>>>> contract
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
>>>>>>>>>> alternatives:
>>>>>>>>>> (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to
>>>>>>> operate
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> ACS
>>>>>>>>>> users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the
>>>>>>> bucket.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> idea :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Raise of hands:
>>>>>>>>>> Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
>>>>>>>>>> templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the
>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>> especially in East Asia.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-
>> script-to-test-d
>>>>>>> ownload-mirrors/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
>>>>>>>>>>> templates!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>>>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> :) According to Raja, there is some time before
>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> Dec
>>>>>>>>>>>> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>>>>>>>>> daan.hoogland@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence On 20 May 2016
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adoption.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a CloudStack build.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
>>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
>>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>>>>> acs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
>> installation/e
>>>>>>> n/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download the default template in a similar manner. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> mirror
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checking etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <
>>>>>>>>>> wstevens@cloudops.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> PoC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to worry about getting a template installed on first
>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.
>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first boot process from download to first VM launched
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smooth as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Will STEVENS*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w
>>>>>>>> cloudops.com
>>>>>>>>>> *|*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tw @CloudOps_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiradeep,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It makes sense not to have this old default very
>>>>>>> insecure
>>>>>>>>> guest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meta-data pointing to the latest version of an
>>>>>>> acceptable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pierre,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I meant the auto-download of default templates, not
>>>>>>>>> systemvm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that the initial systemvm template has to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand-downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pdion@cloudops.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> systemvm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has this should be simplify deployment of a
>>>>>>> cloudstack
>>>>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although, the download URL should be a configurable
>>>>>>>>> value,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property file or thru the API somehow or via a
>>>>>>>>> pre-install
>>>>>>>>>>>>> command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new
>>>>>>> Jenkins
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty sure we would be ok to use
>>>>>>>>> download.cloudstack.org,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting this up? on the current webserver of our
>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree on the existing users - not the end of the
>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release a tiny patch to update the DB records
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The piece that we need to be really careful with
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time"
>>>>>>>>> scenario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas
>>>>>>> flowing
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<
>> http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
>>>>>>> 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate db
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> records.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We should ensure that we have some good posts
>>>>>>>>> discovered
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other search engines, so that when somebody
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this issue they find the workaround.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a lot of time to reach out to users and
>>>>>>>> inform
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fix necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix
>>>>>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another year ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build/startup and then periodically if people do
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, users environments aren't going to stop if
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulled,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when users make config changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded :
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the
>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that its simple db  change
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a
>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #notideal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software working, however my understanding is it
>>>>>>>>>> involves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binaries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party
>>>>>>>>>> binaries)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> owe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguably a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere
>>>>>>>> else -
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition its got to be something maintained
>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had this debate some time ago when talking
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wev'e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as public. However, there were concerns about
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our
>>>>>>>>> preferred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to fix this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host
>>>>>>> entry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloudstack.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its under their domain, but with the site being
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> DNS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location (would be simplest but may be legally
>>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing goodwill)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the
>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the
>>>>>>> SPOF,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates copied to a number of 3rd party
>>>>>>> locations
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose which one they use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<
>> http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
>>>>>>> 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williamstevens@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Will Stevens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going forward and we can move everything from
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the problem is with all of the
>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>> ACS
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there currently pointing at the
>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>> URL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, those installs have to be updated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Will STEVENS*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>>>>>>> w
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cloudops.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *|*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @CloudOps_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <irae@cloudops.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerning)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of dependency on the operation of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it not make sense to use a domain that is
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose alignment with CloudStack will not
>>>>>>> shift. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hesitate to implicate the red tape of Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but perhaps the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack alliance organization would be a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust me, it won't be go away overnight.  We
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citrix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requested them to keep it active for another
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once we have the content copied over (I will
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wido
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides update and create a wiki to show how an
>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can fixed to point to new URLs) we don't have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com" -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?
>>>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>>>>> Accelerite,
>>>>>>>>>> 2055,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com<
>> http://www.accelerite.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @accelerite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Raja,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May I humbly suggest that someone at
>>>>>>> Accelerite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citrix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long the content will remain on
>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply losing the content on
>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overnight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone look bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<
>> http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
>>>>>>> WC2N
>>>>>>>>> 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raja Pullela
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are right, this change impacts both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I
>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move away from "download.cloud.com" is
>>>>>>>>> permanent.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long the content on download.cloud.com will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up/available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on Wido's availability, we can get
>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this
>>>>>>> week ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com is left as is and will
>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citrix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decides on what to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>>>>> Accelerite,
>>>>>>>>>> 2055,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com<
>> http://www.accelerite.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @accelerite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As this effects every copy of CloudStack
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudPlatform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.  Please may I ask how long we have to
>>>>>>>> manage a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from download.cloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com<
>> http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
>>>>>>> WC2N
>>>>>>>>>> 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raja Pullela
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the additional file details
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wido
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy these as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I agree with you there is every copy
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason why I have requested Wido to download
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like we missed few and get these
>>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that Citrix owns the "
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get all the CloudStack related content
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm on the content move Citrix may choose
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the location.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I will get in touch with Wido
>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such that we have everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>>>>>> Accelerite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2055,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurelwood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com<
>> http://www.accelerite.com>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @accelerite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just picked up on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of URLs which are
>>>>>>>> hardcoded
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database for the small built-in templates.
>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every copy of CloudStack out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-
>> ae94-4f97
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -afd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-f8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-
>> 3c8d-92
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be-c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 001b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-
>> x86_64.vh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.bz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-
>> x86_64.ta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r.gz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack
>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that you can deprecate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contents for some time, without causing a lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short Term - all the content has moved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which sections to be modified?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Install Guide needs to be modified.
>>>>>>>> Sample
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links/details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Released versions of Cloudstack
>>>>>>>> documentation:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
>> installa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /en/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>> .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What to do modified ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modify URL from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Rajsekhar can you please update the
>>>>>>>> sections ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raja
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accelerite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA
>>>>>>>> 95054,
>>>>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,
>>>>>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @accelerite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
>>>>>>> WC2N
>>>>>>>>>> 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CEO | PDG
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1S6
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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