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From: Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 00:05:54 +0200
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sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs is
a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a
different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>
> I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6=
/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>
> If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can download
> the default template in a similar manner. The
> "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
> checking etc.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC should
> have
> > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think th=
at
> > is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the first boo=
t
> > process from download to first VM launched should be as smooth as
> possible.
> >
> > *Will STEVENS*
> > Lead Developer
> >
> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> > w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com=
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chiradeep,
> > >
> > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
> template
> > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-da=
ta
> > > pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) fo=
r
> > > trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pierre,
> > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded
> > anyway.
> > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is
> needed.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> pdion@cloudops.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> > > template,
> > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe
> in a
> > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install comman=
d.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at
> > > getting
> > > > > the
> > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> > > > > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community
> services
> > > so
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where
> > would
> > > > we
> > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could w=
e
> ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > PL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We
> could
> > > even
> > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've
> just
> > > > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > Giles
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> download.cloud.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't
> all
> > > that
> > > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate d=
b
> > > > records.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by
> Google
> > > and
> > > > > > other search engines, so that when somebody running old
> > installations
> > > > hit
> > > > > > this issue they find the workaround.
> > > > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the f=
ix
> > > > > > necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before th=
e
> > > > current
> > > > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to i=
t
> > > being
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > another year ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this downloa=
d
> at
> > > > > initial
> > > > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > build
> > > a
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > zone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, bu=
t
> > > nobody
> > > > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause
> > issues
> > > > as
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > when users make config changes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start th=
e
> > Sec
> > > > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in
> template
> > > > from
> > > > > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once a=
n
> > > > > > environment
> > > > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch t=
o
> > fix
> > > > the
> > > > > > > initial install
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > #notideal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its
> key
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > software working, however my understanding is it involves
> > binaries
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - s=
o
> > that
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > wont happen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him=
 a
> > > > massive
> > > > > > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency an=
d
> > > > > arguably a
> > > > > > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to
> have
> > > > this
> > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but whe=
re
> > ? -
> > > > by
> > > > > > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the
> > > repositories.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e
> always
> > > > > opened
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about having a compan=
y
> > > domain
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > > > > > download.cloudstack.org.
> > > > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd
> party
> > it
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > be allowed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entr=
y
> > to a
> > > > new
> > > > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and
> relies
> > > on
> > > > > > > ongoing goodwill)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location =
on
> > > > > install.
> > > > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could th=
en
> > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow
> > > people
> > > > to
> > > > > > > choose which one they use
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > > Giles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:
> williamstevens@gmail.com]
> > > On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > > > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can
> > > change
> > > > it
> > > > > > > going forward and we can move everything from there over to a
> new
> > > > > domain.
> > > > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP
> > > installs
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so
> when
> > it
> > > > > goes
> > > > > > > down, those installs have to be updated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression =
I
> am
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > > from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > > > > Lead Developer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.co=
m
> > *|*
> > > > tw
> > > > > > > @CloudOps_
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather
> > > > concerning)
> > > > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the
> download.cloud.com
> > -
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control
> of
> > > > party
> > > > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate =
to
> > > > > > > > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps th=
e
> > > fabled
> > > > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to
> handle
> > > this
> > > > > > > > long term.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > > > > > > > <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > trust me, it won=E2=80=99t be go away overnight.  We are =
talking to
> > > > Citrix
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another year.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wi=
do
> > and
> > > > > > > > > verify
> > > > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation
> > > (user
> > > > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing
> > > > installation
> > > > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don=E2=80=99t have a dep=
endency
> on =E2=80=9C
> > > > > > > download.cloud.com=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93
> > > > > > > > right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let
> me
> > > > know,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > best,
> > > > > > > > > Raja
> > > > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > > > > > > Accelerite,
> > > > > > > > > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>Thanks Raja,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to
> > > Citrix
> > > > > > > > >>about
> > > > > > > > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
> > > > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight
> > will
> > > > > make
> > > > > > > > everyone look bad
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> > > > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Paul,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack a=
nd
> > > > > > > > CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I understand you
> > > correctly,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > move away from =E2=80=9Cdownload.cloud.com=E2=80=9D is perm=
anent.  I don=E2=80=99t
> > know
> > > > how
> > > > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available=
.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Based on Wido=E2=80=99s availability, we can get rest of =
the
> content
> > to
> > > > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?    BTW, th=
e
> > > > content
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until
> > > Citrix
> > > > > > > > decides on what to do with it.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Best,
> > > > > > > > >>Raja
> > > > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > > > > > >>Accelerite,
> > > > > > > > >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>>Raja,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatfo=
rm
> > > there
> > > > > > > > >>>ever
> > > > > > > > was.  Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migrati=
on
> > > away
> > > > > > > > from download.cloud.com?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
> > > > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Hi Paul,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will
> request
> > > > wido
> > > > > > > > >>>to
> > > > > > > > copy these as well.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack
> out
> > > > there
> > > > > > > > >>>and
> > > > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old
> files
> > as
> > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the =E2=80=9Cdownload.cloud=
.com=E2=80=9D
> > address
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > >>>we
> > > > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there.
> > Once
> > > we
> > > > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove the
> > > content
> > > > > > > > from the location.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a
> > > complete
> > > > > > > > >>>copy
> > > > > > > > such that we have everything.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>Best,
> > > > > > > > >>>Raja
> > > > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055,
> > > Laurelwood
> > > > > > > > >>>Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <
> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>Raja,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the
> > > > > CloudStack
> > > > > > > > database for the small built-in templates.  These are in ju=
st
> > > about
> > > > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-af=
d
> > > > > > > > >>>>2-f8
> > > > > > > > >>>>4
> > > > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-=
c
> > > > > > > > >>>>001b
> > > > > > > > >>>>d
> > > > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.b=
z
> > > > > > > > >>>>2
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.g=
z
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updatin=
g
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > > >>>>new
> > > > > > > > location.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com
> or
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for
> > > users.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to
> > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample
> > links/details
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated fo=
r
> > > other
> > > > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installatio=
n
> > > > > > > > >>>>/en/
> > > > > > > > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util=C2=B6
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>modify URL from
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
> > to
> > > > > > > > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Raja
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Accelerite,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>>>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
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