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From Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
Subject RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
Date Thu, 19 May 2016 15:00:37 GMT
Erik
I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even release a tiny patch
to update the DB records

The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just downloaded cloudstack 
thing for the first time" scenario 

But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that


Kind Regards
Giles


giles.sirett@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that troublesome, this
is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db records.

We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and other search engines,
so that when somebody running old installations hit this issue they find the workaround.
There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix necessary.

--
Erik


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sirett@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
>
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new
> zone
>
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and
> when users make config changes
>
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> download.cloud.com
>
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment
> is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> initial install
>
> #notideal
>
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which
> ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just
> wont happen
>
>
>
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
>
> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
>
>
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
>
>
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
>
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org.
> Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could
> be allowed
>
> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new
> location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on
> ongoing goodwill)
>
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install.
> We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the
> templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to
> choose which one they use
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes
> down, those installs have to be updated.
>
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
> > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
> > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
> > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
> > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
> > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
> > long term.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix
> > > and
> > requested them to keep it active for another year.
> > >
> > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and
> > > verify
> > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user
> > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing installation
> > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “
> download.cloud.com” –
> > right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Raja
> > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > Accelerite,
> > > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> > >>Thanks Raja,
> > >>
> > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix
> > >>about
> > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
> > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make
> > everyone look bad
> > >>
> > >>Kind regards,
> > >>
> > >>Paul Angus
> > >>
> > >>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > >>www.shapeblue.com
> > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >>
> > >>Paul,
> > >>
> > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and
> > CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the
> > move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how
> > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available.
> > >>
> > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to
> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?    BTW, the content on
> > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix
> > decides on what to do with it.
> > >>
> > >>Best,
> > >>Raja
> > >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > >>Accelerite,
> > >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Raja,
> > >>>
> > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there
> > >>>ever
> > was.  Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away
> > from download.cloud.com?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Kind regards,
> > >>>
> > >>>Paul Angus
> > >>>
> > >>>Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>>Paul Angus
> > >>>
> > >>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > >>>www.shapeblue.com
> > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > >>>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
> > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >>>
> > >>>Hi Paul,
> > >>>
> > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido
> > >>>to
> > copy these as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there
> > >>>and
> > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.
> > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and
> > >>>we
> > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we
> > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove the content
> > from the location.
> > >>>
> > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete
> > >>>copy
> > such that we have everything.
> > >>>
> > >>>Best,
> > >>>Raja
> > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, Laurelwood
> > >>>Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > >>>
> > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> > >>>>Raja,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I've just picked up on this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
> > database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about
> > every copy of CloudStack out there.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd
> > >>>>2-f8
> > >>>>4
> > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c
> > >>>>001b
> > >>>>d
> > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz
> > >>>>2
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the
> > >>>>new
> > location.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's
> > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Which sections to be modified?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are
> > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other
> > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation
> > >>>>/en/
> > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>What to do modified ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>modify URL from
> > >>>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to
> > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Thanks
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Raja
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Accelerite,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Kind regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Paul Angus
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Paul Angus
> > >>>>
> > >>>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > >>>>www.shapeblue.com
> > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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