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From Erik Weber <terbol...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
Date Wed, 18 May 2016 12:33:27 GMT
I guess we could even host it with github pages?

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
> redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
> On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> mirrors
> > at will.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Paul Angus
> >
> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:wido@widodh.nl]
> > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sirett@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >
> > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > >:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> there
> > another year ?
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > build a new zone
> > >
> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > > and when users make config changes
> > >
> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > > download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > patch to fix the initial install
> > >
> > > #notideal
> > >
> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > > that just wont happen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > issue.
> > >
> >
> > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is
> a
> > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
> >
> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > >
> > >
> > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
> We
> > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened
> up
> > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
> name
> > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> > >
> > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site
> > > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> > >
> >
> > I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > for now might be enough.
> >
> > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a
> > > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies
> > > on ongoing goodwill)
> > >
> > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on
> > > install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could
> > > then get the templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and
> > > allow people to choose which one they use
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Giles
> > >
> > >
> > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com] On
> > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
> > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> > going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs
> > out there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it
> > goes down, those installs have to be updated.
> > >
> > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am
> > getting from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> > >
> > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > Lead Developer
> > >
> > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> > @CloudOps_
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
> > > > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com -
> would
> > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
> > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
> > > > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
> > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
> > > > long term.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > > > <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > > > Paul,
> > > > >
> > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix
> > > > > and
> > > > requested them to keep it active for another year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and
> > > > > verify
> > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user
> > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing installation
> > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “
> > download.cloud.com” –
> > > > right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
> > > > >
> > > > > best,
> > > > > Raja
> > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > > Accelerite,
> > > > > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>Thanks Raja,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix
> > > > >>about
> > > > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
> > > > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will
> make
> > > > everyone look bad
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Kind regards,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Paul Angus
> > > > >>
> > > > >>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Paul,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and
> > > > CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly,
> the
> > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know
how
> > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content
to
> > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?    BTW, the content
> > on
> > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix
> > > > decides on what to do with it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Best,
> > > > >>Raja
> > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > >>Accelerite,
> > > > >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Raja,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform
there
> > > > >>>ever
> > > > was.  Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away
> > > > from download.cloud.com?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Kind regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
> > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Hi Paul,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request
wido
> > > > >>>to
> > > > copy these as well.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out
there
> > > > >>>and
> > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as
> well.
> > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com”
address and
> > > > >>>we
> > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we
> > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove the content
> > > > from the location.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete
> > > > >>>copy
> > > > such that we have everything.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Best,
> > > > >>>Raja
> > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, Laurelwood
> > > > >>>Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>>>Raja,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the
> CloudStack
> > > > database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about
> > > > every copy of CloudStack out there.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd
> > > > >>>>2-f8
> > > > >>>>4
> > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
> > > > >>>>
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c
> > > > >>>>001b
> > > > >>>>d
> > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> > > > >>>>
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz
> > > > >>>>2
> > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> > > > >>>>
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating
to the
> > > > >>>>new
> > > > location.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com
or it's
> > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Hi,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details
are
> > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for
other
> > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation
> > > > >>>>/en/
> > > > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>What to do modified ?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>modify URL from
> > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
to
> > > > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Thanks
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Raja
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Accelerite,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Kind regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>>>www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
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