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From Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
Date Sat, 21 May 2016 00:42:43 GMT
Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org

Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
a. Install System VM Templates:
<here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror list>
b. Installing other templates
cloud-install-tmplt
> enter OS (linux only)
   > Ubuntu 16.04
   ....Installing...

Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually host the
> mirrors in different places around the world?  A company could sponsor the
> few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the mirrors be in AWS and the
> mirror list in apache.org would just be updated to add the AWS mirror.
>
> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to have
> different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an apache.org
> endpoint to list the mirrors?
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere on
> > apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, aren't we.
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
> > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org),
> > but
> > > I
> > > > realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
> > entity
> > > > for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a contract
> > > with
> > > > AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
> > > > alternatives:
> > > >  (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to operate
> > > this
> > > > bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support
> this
> > > > bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
> > > >
> > > > (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and
> > ACS
> > > > users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the bucket.
> > > >
> > > > A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much
> better
> > > > idea :)
> > > >
> > > > Raise of hands:
> > > > Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
> > > > templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the
> world,
> > > > especially in East Asia.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
> > > > > templates!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before
> download.cloud.com
> > is
> > > > >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it
> > is
> > > > Dec
> > > > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
> not.
> > > > Now,
> > > > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
> > > > yesterday!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> > > daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
> > > > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
> > > > >>> adoption.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
> > > > >>> milestone
> > > > >>> in a CloudStack build.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
> > template
> > > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
> step.
> > > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Kind regards,
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Paul Angus
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
> > > > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> > > > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
> > over.
> > > > acs
> > > > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not
> put
> > > it
> > > > >>> in a
> > > > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > > > >>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>>
> > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> > > > >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they
> > can
> > > > >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
> > > > >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the
> > > > mirror
> > > > >>> > > checking etc.
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <
> > > > wstevens@cloudops.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a
> > PoC
> > > > >>> > > > should
> > > > >>> > > have
> > > > >>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.
> > I
> > > > >>> think
> > > > >>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.
> > Getting
> > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched
> should
> > be
> > > > as
> > > > >>> > > > smooth as
> > > > >>> > > possible.
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>> > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > >>> > > > Lead Developer
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > >>> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w
> > cloudops.com
> > > > *|*
> > > > >>> > > > tw @CloudOps_
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
> > > > >>> > > > <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > Chiradeep,
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure
> > > guest
> > > > >>> > > template
> > > > >>> > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some
> kind
> > of
> > > > >>> > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable
> > > > >>> template
> > > > >>> > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on
> > their
> > > > way.
> > > > >>> Would you agree?
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > > > >>> > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > Pierre,
> > > > >>> > > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not
> > > systemvm.
> > > > >>> > > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be
> > > > >>> > > > > > hand-downloaded
> > > > >>> > > > anyway.
> > > > >>> > > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all
> > that
> > > > is
> > > > >>> > > needed.
> > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> > > > >>> > > pdion@cloudops.com>
> > > > >>> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the
> > > > >>> systemvm
> > > > >>> > > > > template,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a
> cloudstack
> > > > >>> system.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable
> > > value,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > maybe
> > > > >>> > > in a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a
> > > pre-install
> > > > >>> command.
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm
> > > > looking
> > > > >>> > > > > > > at
> > > > >>> > > > > getting
> > > > >>> > > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins
> > > and I
> > > > >>> got
> > > > >>> > > > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for
> > > > >>> community
> > > > >>> > > services
> > > > >>> > > > > so
> > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > >>> > > > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use
> > > download.cloudstack.org,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > where
> > > > >>> > > > would
> > > > >>> > > > > > we
> > > > >>> > > > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our
> > website?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > could we
> > > > >>> > > ?
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > PL
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > >>> > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the
> > > world.
> > > > >>> We
> > > > >>> > > could
> > > > >>> > > > > even
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is
> > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > "I've
> > > > >>> > > just
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time"
> > > scenario
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas
> flowing
> > on
> > > > >>> that
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Giles
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that
> > > this
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > >>> > > all
> > > > >>> > > > > that
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > appropriate db
> > > > >>> > > > > > records.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts
> > > discovered
> > > > by
> > > > >>> > > Google
> > > > >>> > > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > other search engines, so that when somebody running
> > old
> > > > >>> > > > installations
> > > > >>> > > > > > hit
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > this issue they find the workaround.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and
> > inform
> > > of
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > the fix necessary.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > --
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > >>> > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured
> out
> > > > >>> before
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > current
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix
> > > > committed
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to it
> > > > >>> > > > > being
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > there
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > another year ?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on
> > this
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download
> > > > >>> > > at
> > > > >>> > > > > > > initial
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do
> > > things
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > >>> > > > build
> > > > >>> > > > > a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > new
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > zone
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if
> its
> > > > >>> pulled,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > >>> > > > > nobody
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and
> it
> > > may
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cause
> > > > >>> > > > issues
> > > > >>> > > > > > as
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > when users make config changes
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded :
> > you
> > > > >>> start
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > Sec
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the
> > built
> > > > in
> > > > >>> > > template
> > > > >>> > > > > > from
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to
> > > make
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > once an
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > environment
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a
> > code
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > patch to
> > > > >>> > > > fix
> > > > >>> > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > initial install
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > #notideal
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the
> > project
> > > > as
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > its
> > > > >>> > > key
> > > > >>> > > > to
> > > > >>> > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > software working, however my understanding is it
> > > > involves
> > > > >>> > > > binaries
> > > > >>> > > > > > > which
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party
> > > > binaries)
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > - so
> > > > >>> > > > that
> > > > >>> > > > > > > just
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > wont happen
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we
> > all
> > > > owe
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > him a
> > > > >>> > > > > > massive
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party
> > > > >>> dependency
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > arguably a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're
> always
> > > > going
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>> > > have
> > > > >>> > > > > > this
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere
> > else -
> > > > but
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > where
> > > > >>> > > > ? -
> > > > >>> > > > > > by
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > definition its got to be something maintained by
> a
> > > 3rd
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > party
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking
> about
> > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > repositories.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > We
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers,
> > which
> > > > >>> wev'e
> > > > >>> > > always
> > > > >>> > > > > > > opened
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > up
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about
> > having
> > > a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > company
> > > > >>> > > > > domain
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > name
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our
> > > preferred
> > > > >>> repo.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > download.cloudstack.org.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being
> > with
> > > a
> > > > >>> 3rd
> > > > >>> > > party
> > > > >>> > > > it
> > > > >>> > > > > > > could
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > be allowed
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the
> > current
> > > > DNS
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > entry
> > > > >>> > > > to a
> > > > >>> > > > > > new
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally
> > > complex
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>> > > relies
> > > > >>> > > > > on
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ongoing goodwill)
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the
> download
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location on
> > > > >>> > > > > > > install.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF,
> > we
> > > > >>> could
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > then
> > > > >>> > > > get
> > > > >>> > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party
> locations
> > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > allow
> > > > >>> > > > > people
> > > > >>> > > > > > to
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > choose which one they use
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Giles
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:
> > > > >>> > > williamstevens@gmail.com]
> > > > >>> > > > > On
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > > > >>> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than
> > that.
> > > > We
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > >>> > > > > change
> > > > >>> > > > > > it
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > going forward and we can move everything from
> there
> > > > over
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > >>> > > new
> > > > >>> > > > > > > domain.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing
> > ACS
> > > > or
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > CCP
> > > > >>> > > > > installs
> > > > >>> > > > > > > out
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > there currently pointing at the
> download.cloud.com
> > > > URL,
> > > > >>> so
> > > > >>> > > when
> > > > >>> > > > it
> > > > >>> > > > > > > goes
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > down, those installs have to be updated.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > impression I
> > > > >>> > > am
> > > > >>> > > > > > > getting
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Lead Developer
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cloudops.com
> > > > >>> > > > *|*
> > > > >>> > > > > > tw
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @CloudOps_
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > <irae@cloudops.com>
> > > > >>> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given
> the
> > > > >>> (rather
> > > > >>> > > > > > concerning)
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the
> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > -
> > > > >>> > > > > > > would
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under
> > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > control
> > > > >>> > > of
> > > > >>> > > > > > party
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not
> shift. I
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > hesitate to implicate the red tape of Apache
> > > > >>> Foundation,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > but perhaps the
> > > > >>> > > > > fabled
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a
> good
> > > way
> > > > to
> > > > >>> > > handle
> > > > >>> > > > > this
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long term.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Paul,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We
> > are
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > talking to
> > > > >>> > > > > > Citrix
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another
> > year.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will
> > work
> > > > >>> with
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Wido
> > > > >>> > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > verify
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > documentation
> > > > >>> > > > > (user
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an
> > > > existing
> > > > >>> > > > > > installation
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > dependency
> > > > >>> > > on “
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com” –
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?
> > > >  Please
> > > > >>> let
> > > > >>> > > me
> > > > >>> > > > > > know,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > best,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Raja
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> > > > 2055,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > @accelerite
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Thanks Raja,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at
> Accelerite
> > > > >>> speaks
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>to
> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>about
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > how long the content will remain on
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> ?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on
> > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>overnight
> > > > >>> > > > will
> > > > >>> > > > > > > make
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > everyone look bad
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Kind regards,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul Angus
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> > > 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>[mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
> from
> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>CloudStack and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I
> > understand
> > > > you
> > > > >>> > > > > correctly,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is
> > > permanent.  I
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > don’t
> > > > >>> > > > know
> > > > >>> > > > > > how
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be
> > > > >>> up/available.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > >>> > > content
> > > > >>> > > > to
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this
> week ?
> > > > >>> BTW,
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> > > > > > content
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > on
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay
> > as
> > > is
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > until
> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > decides on what to do with it.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Best,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Raja
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> > > > 2055,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>@accelerite
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <
> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudPlatform
> > > > >>> > > > > there
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>ever
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > was.  Please may I ask how long we have to
> > manage a
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > migration
> > > > >>> > > > > away
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from download.cloud.com?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Kind regards,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Regards,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
> WC2N
> > > > 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>[mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
> from
> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Hi Paul,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details
> and
> > I
> > > > will
> > > > >>> > > request
> > > > >>> > > > > > wido
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>to
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > copy these as well.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudStack
> > > > >>> > > out
> > > > >>> > > > > > there
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download
> all
> > > the
> > > > >>> old
> > > > >>> > > files
> > > > >>> > > > as
> > > > >>> > > > > > > well.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded
> > as
> > > > >>> well.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “
> > > > >>> download.cloud.com”
> > > > >>> > > > address
> > > > >>> > > > > > and
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>we
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content
> > from
> > > > >>> there.
> > > > >>> > > > Once
> > > > >>> > > > > we
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose
> to
> > > > remove
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > content
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from the location.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido
> again
> > > and
> > > > >>> do
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>a
> > > > >>> > > > > complete
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>copy
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > such that we have everything.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Best,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > Accelerite,
> > > > >>> 2055,
> > > > >>> > > > > Laurelwood
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>@accelerite
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <
> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are
> > hardcoded
> > > > into
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > CloudStack
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > database for the small built-in templates.
> These
> > > are
> > > > >>> in
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > >>> > > > > about
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97
> > > > >>> > > > > > > -afd
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2-f8
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92
> > > > >>> > > > > > > be-c
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>001b
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>d
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vh
> > > > >>> > > > > > > d.bz
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > >
> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.ta
> > > > >>> > > > > > > r.gz
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack
> > code
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>updating
> > > > >>> > > to
> > > > >>> > > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>new
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > location.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> > > or
> > > > >>> > > > > > it's
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot
> of
> > > > issues
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > >>> > > > > users.
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Hi,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to
> > > > >>> > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.
> > Sample
> > > > >>> > > > links/details
> > > > >>> > > > > > are
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to
> be
> > > > >>> updated
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>for
> > > > >>> > > > > other
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack
> > documentation:
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > >
> > > > >>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installa
> > > > >>> > > > > > > tion
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>/en/
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4
> .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>modify URL from
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
> > > > >>> > > > to
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the
> > sections ?
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Accelerite,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA
> > 95054,
> > > > USA
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com
> ,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@accelerite
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Kind regards,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Regards,
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
> WC2N
> > > > 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > > > > @shapeblue
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