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From Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
Date Tue, 31 May 2016 04:53:29 GMT
I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next few
days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if download.cloud.com
went away next week". Waiting till some hypothetical last date only means
that we will scramble a week before that last date.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>
> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
> a. Install System VM Templates:
> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror list>
> b. Installing other templates
> cloud-install-tmplt
> > enter OS (linux only)
>    > Ubuntu 16.04
>    ....Installing...
>
> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually host
>> the
>> mirrors in different places around the world?  A company could sponsor the
>> few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the mirrors be in AWS and the
>> mirror list in apache.org would just be updated to add the AWS mirror.
>>
>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to have
>> different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an apache.org
>> endpoint to list the mirrors?
>>
>> *Will STEVENS*
>> Lead Developer
>>
>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere on
>> > apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, aren't
>> we.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
>> > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org),
>> > but
>> > > I
>> > > > realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
>> > entity
>> > > > for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a
>> contract
>> > > with
>> > > > AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
>> > > > alternatives:
>> > > >  (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to
>> operate
>> > > this
>> > > > bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support
>> this
>> > > > bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
>> > > >
>> > > > (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and
>> > ACS
>> > > > users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the
>> bucket.
>> > > >
>> > > > A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much
>> better
>> > > > idea :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Raise of hands:
>> > > > Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
>> > > > templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the
>> world,
>> > > > especially in East Asia.
>> > > >
>> > > > [1]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
>> > > > > templates!
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before
>> download.cloud.com
>> > is
>> > > > >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that
>> it
>> > is
>> > > > Dec
>> > > > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
>> not.
>> > > > Now,
>> > > > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
>> > > > yesterday!
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>> > > daan.hoogland@gmail.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>> > > > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
>> > > > >>> adoption.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
>> > > > >>> milestone
>> > > > >>> in a CloudStack build.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
>> > template
>> > > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
>> step.
>> > > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Kind regards,
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Paul Angus
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogland@gmail.com]
>> > > > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>> > > > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> > > > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>> > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
>> > over.
>> > > > acs
>> > > > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not
>> put
>> > > it
>> > > > >>> in a
>> > > > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > > > >>> chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>> > wrote:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>>
>> > >
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
>> > > > >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they
>> > can
>> > > > >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
>> > > > >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do
>> the
>> > > > mirror
>> > > > >>> > > checking etc.
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <
>> > > > wstevens@cloudops.com
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing
>> a
>> > PoC
>> > > > >>> > > > should
>> > > > >>> > > have
>> > > > >>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first
>> setup.
>> > I
>> > > > >>> think
>> > > > >>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.
>> > Getting
>> > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched
>> should
>> > be
>> > > > as
>> > > > >>> > > > smooth as
>> > > > >>> > > possible.
>> > > > >>> > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > *Will STEVENS*
>> > > > >>> > > > Lead Developer
>> > > > >>> > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> > > > >>> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w
>> > cloudops.com
>> > > > *|*
>> > > > >>> > > > tw @CloudOps_
>> > > > >>> > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> > > > >>> > > > <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > Chiradeep,
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very
>> insecure
>> > > guest
>> > > > >>> > > template
>> > > > >>> > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some
>> kind
>> > of
>> > > > >>> > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an
>> acceptable
>> > > > >>> template
>> > > > >>> > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on
>> > their
>> > > > way.
>> > > > >>> Would you agree?
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > > > >>> > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > Pierre,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not
>> > > systemvm.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be
>> > > > >>> > > > > > hand-downloaded
>> > > > >>> > > > anyway.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all
>> > that
>> > > > is
>> > > > >>> > > needed.
>> > > > >>> > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
>> > > > >>> > > pdion@cloudops.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of
>> the
>> > > > >>> systemvm
>> > > > >>> > > > > template,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a
>> cloudstack
>> > > > >>> system.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable
>> > > value,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > maybe
>> > > > >>> > > in a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a
>> > > pre-install
>> > > > >>> command.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror.
>> I'm
>> > > > looking
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > at
>> > > > >>> > > > > getting
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new
>> Jenkins
>> > > and I
>> > > > >>> got
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain
>> for
>> > > > >>> community
>> > > > >>> > > services
>> > > > >>> > > > > so
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use
>> > > download.cloudstack.org,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > where
>> > > > >>> > > > would
>> > > > >>> > > > > > we
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our
>> > website?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > could we
>> > > > >>> > > ?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > PL
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
>> > > > >>> > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the
>> > > world.
>> > > > >>> We
>> > > > >>> > > could
>> > > > >>> > > > > even
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with
>> is
>> > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > "I've
>> > > > >>> > > just
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time"
>> > > scenario
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas
>> flowing
>> > on
>> > > > >>> that
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Kind Regards
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Giles
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
>> 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say
>> that
>> > > this
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > isn't
>> > > > >>> > > all
>> > > > >>> > > > > that
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > appropriate db
>> > > > >>> > > > > > records.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts
>> > > discovered
>> > > > by
>> > > > >>> > > Google
>> > > > >>> > > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > other search engines, so that when somebody
>> running
>> > old
>> > > > >>> > > > installations
>> > > > >>> > > > > > hit
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > this issue they find the workaround.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and
>> > inform
>> > > of
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > the fix necessary.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > --
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured
>> out
>> > > > >>> before
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > current
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix
>> > > > committed
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to it
>> > > > >>> > > > > being
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > there
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > another year ?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on
>> > this
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download
>> > > > >>> > > at
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > initial
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do
>> > > things
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > like
>> > > > >>> > > > build
>> > > > >>> > > > > a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > new
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > zone
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if
>> its
>> > > > >>> pulled,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > but
>> > > > >>> > > > > nobody
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and
>> it
>> > > may
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cause
>> > > > >>> > > > issues
>> > > > >>> > > > > > as
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > when users make config changes
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded :
>> > you
>> > > > >>> start
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > Sec
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the
>> > built
>> > > > in
>> > > > >>> > > template
>> > > > >>> > > > > > from
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change
>> to
>> > > make
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > once an
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > environment
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a
>> > code
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > patch to
>> > > > >>> > > > fix
>> > > > >>> > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > initial install
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > #notideal
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the
>> > project
>> > > > as
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > its
>> > > > >>> > > key
>> > > > >>> > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > software working, however my understanding is it
>> > > > involves
>> > > > >>> > > > binaries
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > which
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party
>> > > > binaries)
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > - so
>> > > > >>> > > > that
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > just
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > wont happen
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which
>> we
>> > all
>> > > > owe
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > him a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > massive
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party
>> > > > >>> dependency
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > arguably a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're
>> always
>> > > > going
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > have
>> > > > >>> > > > > > this
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > issue.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere
>> > else -
>> > > > but
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > where
>> > > > >>> > > > ? -
>> > > > >>> > > > > > by
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > definition its got to be something maintained
>> by a
>> > > 3rd
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > party
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking
>> about
>> > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > repositories.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > We
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers,
>> > which
>> > > > >>> wev'e
>> > > > >>> > > always
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > opened
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > up
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about
>> > having
>> > > a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > company
>> > > > >>> > > > > domain
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > name
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our
>> > > preferred
>> > > > >>> repo.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host
>> entry
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > download.cloudstack.org.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being
>> > with
>> > > a
>> > > > >>> 3rd
>> > > > >>> > > party
>> > > > >>> > > > it
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > could
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > be allowed
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the
>> > current
>> > > > DNS
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > entry
>> > > > >>> > > > to a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > new
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally
>> > > complex
>> > > > >>> and
>> > > > >>> > > relies
>> > > > >>> > > > > on
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ongoing goodwill)
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the
>> download
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location on
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > install.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the
>> SPOF,
>> > we
>> > > > >>> could
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > then
>> > > > >>> > > > get
>> > > > >>> > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party
>> locations
>> > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > allow
>> > > > >>> > > > > people
>> > > > >>> > > > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > choose which one they use
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Giles
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
>> 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com [mailto:
>> > > > >>> > > williamstevens@gmail.com]
>> > > > >>> > > > > On
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>> > > > >>> > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than
>> > that.
>> > > > We
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > can
>> > > > >>> > > > > change
>> > > > >>> > > > > > it
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > going forward and we can move everything from
>> there
>> > > > over
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to a
>> > > > >>> > > new
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > domain.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the
>> existing
>> > ACS
>> > > > or
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > CCP
>> > > > >>> > > > > installs
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > out
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > there currently pointing at the
>> download.cloud.com
>> > > > URL,
>> > > > >>> so
>> > > > >>> > > when
>> > > > >>> > > > it
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > goes
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > down, those installs have to be updated.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is
>> the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > impression I
>> > > > >>> > > am
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > getting
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Lead Developer
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>> w
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cloudops.com
>> > > > >>> > > > *|*
>> > > > >>> > > > > > tw
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @CloudOps_
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > <irae@cloudops.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given
>> the
>> > > > >>> (rather
>> > > > >>> > > > > > concerning)
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the
>> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > -
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > would
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is
>> under
>> > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > control
>> > > > >>> > > of
>> > > > >>> > > > > > party
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not
>> shift. I
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > hesitate to implicate the red tape of Apache
>> > > > >>> Foundation,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > but perhaps the
>> > > > >>> > > > > fabled
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a
>> good
>> > > way
>> > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > handle
>> > > > >>> > > > > this
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long term.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > <raja.pullela@accelerite.com> wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Paul,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We
>> > are
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > talking to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > Citrix
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another
>> > year.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will
>> > work
>> > > > >>> with
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Wido
>> > > > >>> > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > verify
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > documentation
>> > > > >>> > > > > (user
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an
>> > > > existing
>> > > > >>> > > > > > installation
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have
>> a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > dependency
>> > > > >>> > > on “
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com” –
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?
>> > > >  Please
>> > > > >>> let
>> > > > >>> > > me
>> > > > >>> > > > > > know,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > best,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Raja
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development
>> Accelerite,
>> > > > 2055,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > @accelerite
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <
>> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Thanks Raja,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at
>> Accelerite
>> > > > >>> speaks
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>to
>> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>about
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > how long the content will remain on
>> > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> ?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on
>> > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>overnight
>> > > > >>> > > > will
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > make
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > everyone look bad
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Kind regards,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul Angus
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
>> WC2N
>> > > 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>[mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
>> from
>> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>CloudStack and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I
>> > understand
>> > > > you
>> > > > >>> > > > > correctly,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is
>> > > permanent.  I
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > don’t
>> > > > >>> > > > know
>> > > > >>> > > > > > how
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will
>> be
>> > > > >>> up/available.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get
>> rest
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > content
>> > > > >>> > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this
>> week ?
>> > > > >>> BTW,
>> > > > >>> the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > content
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > on
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will
>> stay
>> > as
>> > > is
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > until
>> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > decides on what to do with it.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Best,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Raja
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development
>> Accelerite,
>> > > > 2055,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>@accelerite
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <
>> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack
>> and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudPlatform
>> > > > >>> > > > > there
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>ever
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > was.  Please may I ask how long we have to
>> > manage a
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > migration
>> > > > >>> > > > > away
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from download.cloud.com?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Kind regards,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Regards,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>paul.angus@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London
>> WC2N
>> > > > 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>[mailto:raja.pullela@accelerite.com]
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content
>> from
>> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Hi Paul,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details
>> and
>> > I
>> > > > will
>> > > > >>> > > request
>> > > > >>> > > > > > wido
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > copy these as well.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy
>> of
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudStack
>> > > > >>> > > out
>> > > > >>> > > > > > there
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download
>> all
>> > > the
>> > > > >>> old
>> > > > >>> > > files
>> > > > >>> > > > as
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > well.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these
>> uploaded
>> > as
>> > > > >>> well.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “
>> > > > >>> download.cloud.com”
>> > > > >>> > > > address
>> > > > >>> > > > > > and
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>we
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content
>> > from
>> > > > >>> there.
>> > > > >>> > > > Once
>> > > > >>> > > > > we
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose
>> to
>> > > > remove
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > content
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from the location.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido
>> again
>> > > and
>> > > > >>> do
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>a
>> > > > >>> > > > > complete
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>copy
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > such that we have everything.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Best,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>> > Accelerite,
>> > > > >>> 2055,
>> > > > >>> > > > > Laurelwood
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com
>> ,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>@accelerite
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <
>> > > > >>> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are
>> > hardcoded
>> > > > into
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > CloudStack
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > database for the small built-in templates.
>> These
>> > > are
>> > > > >>> in
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > just
>> > > > >>> > > > > about
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > -afd
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2-f8
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > be-c
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>001b
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>d
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vh
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > d.bz
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > >
>> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.ta
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > r.gz
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack
>> > code
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>updating
>> > > > >>> > > to
>> > > > >>> > > > > the
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>new
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > location.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> > > or
>> > > > >>> > > > > > it's
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot
>> of
>> > > > issues
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > >>> > > > > users.
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Hi,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.
>> > Sample
>> > > > >>> > > > links/details
>> > > > >>> > > > > > are
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to
>> be
>> > > > >>> updated
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>for
>> > > > >>> > > > > other
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack
>> > documentation:
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installa
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > tion
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>/en/
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4
>> .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>modify URL from
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
>> > > > >>> > > > to
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the
>> > sections ?
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Accelerite,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA
>> > 95054,
>> > > > USA
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,
>> www.accelerite.com,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@accelerite
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Kind regards,
>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
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