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From Chris Mattmann <>
Subject Re: External fork of Cloudstack
Date Fri, 18 Mar 2016 22:54:16 GMT
Will all of your actions below sound like a sound plan to me.
Consider this the discuss thread. Get feedback for 24-48 hours,
then VOTE, then proceed :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: <> on behalf of Will Stevens
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30 PM
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: External fork of Cloudstack

>Hey All,
>I am going to try to keep moving this forward, and as such, I have created
>the 'apache-cloudstack' organization in github.  I have invited everyone
>who is in the current 'cloudstack' organization as owners as well as Sam
>and Chris (also as owners).
>I think using this github org is probably the right one to use moving
>forward with this proposal since it better reflects what the org
>Sam and Chris, I would like to get your suggestions for how we should plan
>to move forward since I think there is probably going to be more logistics
>and details to work through on your (ASF board) side of things.
>To reiterate, I think the best and most seamless approach will be to
>actually transfer ownership of the 'apache/cloudstack' repo to the
>'apache-cloudstack' org to be represented as
>'apache-cloudstack/cloudstack'.  This will move all of the PRs and will
>also setup redirection of requests from 'apache/cloudstack' to
>'apache-cloudstack/cloudstack' which is really important for all existing
>links etc...
>I also think we should also consider deleting the 'cloudstack/cloudstack'
>repository unless anyone is actively using it for testing in order to
>reduce confusion on the topic.
>I will create a VOTE thread so the community, and the participating ASF
>board members, can officially sign off on the proposal and give feedback.
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>On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:39 PM, sebgoa <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm more concerned that the page is indistinguishable from a fork,
>> >> gives no indication of official status.  That may be OK for a work in
>> >> progress, but isn't ideal as a final solution.  I'll share that I've
>> >> heard (second and third hand) reports of people who only have heard
>> >> there being an "external fork", and have drawn incorrect conclusions
>> >> from that.  I think we need to be careful about how this is
>> >> as perceptions matter.
>> >
>> > I have updated the organization description and added our website and
>> dev@ address.
>> >
>> >> By contrast, if you go to:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What you will see in place of "Mirror of xxx" is "Apache Whimsy".  I
>> >> grant you that it is a small thing,
>> >
>> > We can easily change “Mirror of Apache CloudStack” to “Apache
>> CloudStack”.
>> >
>> > But I think lots of people will get upset as it will really mean that
>> this is a move away from ASF infra.
>> > Or maybe I missing your point.
>> Suggestion for now: “Mirror of Apache CloudStack for testing purposes
>> only”.
>> While what is there now is technically correct, it is incomplete.  In
>> particular it can, and has, caused confusion.  Based on Will's
>> comments earlier in this thread, I believe that my suggestion is an
>> accurate portrayal of the current status, otherwise please substitute
>> a more accurate description.  (the subtext here: I am not an ASF
>> Director stepping in and demanding change, so please don't take
>> anything I say as an edict, I'm simply participating in the
>> conversation).
>> Longer term, this may very well be "Apache CloudStack" in the same
>> sense that the github whimsy repository is "Apache Whimsy".  Or the
>> code could end up in a different place, like the apache-cloudstack
>> organization I suggested previously.
>> - Sam Ruby

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