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From Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: External fork of Cloudstack
Date Sat, 19 Mar 2016 13:44:55 GMT
Hm, Will let's use a vote thread for voting. My brain is old and rigid and
needs the clarity of it. Just to be clear, are we keeping the cloudstack
organisation for experimenting and we do the move to apache-cloudstack? I
am not sure if github has a policy on naming of organisations so It would
be wise to keep cloudstack around in our control.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I already created a vote thread in the dev@ mailing list. I wanted to try
> to get consensus in the community as well. Please feel free to comment and
> such in that thread. Having ASF board members participating in that thread
> will be valuable.
>
> Thanks. :)
> On Mar 18, 2016 6:54 PM, "Chris Mattmann" <mattmann@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Will all of your actions below sound like a sound plan to me.
> > Consider this the discuss thread. Get feedback for 24-48 hours,
> > then VOTE, then proceed :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <williamstevens@gmail.com> on behalf of Will Stevens
> > <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:30 PM
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: External fork of Cloudstack
> >
> > >Hey All,
> > >I am going to try to keep moving this forward, and as such, I have
> created
> > >the 'apache-cloudstack' organization in github.  I have invited everyone
> > >who is in the current 'cloudstack' organization as owners as well as Sam
> > >and Chris (also as owners).
> > >
> > >I think using this github org is probably the right one to use moving
> > >forward with this proposal since it better reflects what the org
> > >represents.
> > >
> > >Sam and Chris, I would like to get your suggestions for how we should
> plan
> > >to move forward since I think there is probably going to be more
> logistics
> > >and details to work through on your (ASF board) side of things.
> > >
> > >To reiterate, I think the best and most seamless approach will be to
> > >actually transfer ownership of the 'apache/cloudstack' repo to the
> > >'apache-cloudstack' org to be represented as
> > >'apache-cloudstack/cloudstack'.  This will move all of the PRs and will
> > >also setup redirection of requests from 'apache/cloudstack' to
> > >'apache-cloudstack/cloudstack' which is really important for all
> existing
> > >links etc...
> > >
> > >I also think we should also consider deleting the
> 'cloudstack/cloudstack'
> > >repository unless anyone is actively using it for testing in order to
> > >reduce confusion on the topic.
> > >
> > >I will create a VOTE thread so the community, and the participating ASF
> > >board members, can officially sign off on the proposal and give
> feedback.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >*Will STEVENS*
> > >Lead Developer
> > >
> > >*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
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> > >
> > >On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:39 PM, sebgoa <runseb@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm more concerned that the page is indistinguishable from a fork,
> > >>and
> > >> >> gives no indication of official status.  That may be OK for a
work
> in
> > >> >> progress, but isn't ideal as a final solution.  I'll share that
> I've
> > >> >> heard (second and third hand) reports of people who only have
heard
> > >>of
> > >> >> there being an "external fork", and have drawn incorrect
> conclusions
> > >> >> from that.  I think we need to be careful about how this is
> > >>explained,
> > >> >> as perceptions matter.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have updated the organization description and added our website
> and
> > >> dev@ address.
> > >> >
> > >> >> By contrast, if you go to:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://github.com/apache/whimsy
> > >> >>
> > >> >> What you will see in place of "Mirror of xxx" is "Apache Whimsy".
> I
> > >> >> grant you that it is a small thing,
> > >> >
> > >> > We can easily change “Mirror of Apache CloudStack” to “Apache
> > >> CloudStack”.
> > >> >
> > >> > But I think lots of people will get upset as it will really mean
> that
> > >> this is a move away from ASF infra.
> > >> > Or maybe I missing your point.
> > >>
> > >> Suggestion for now: “Mirror of Apache CloudStack for testing purposes
> > >> only”.
> > >>
> > >> While what is there now is technically correct, it is incomplete.  In
> > >> particular it can, and has, caused confusion.  Based on Will's
> > >> comments earlier in this thread, I believe that my suggestion is an
> > >> accurate portrayal of the current status, otherwise please substitute
> > >> a more accurate description.  (the subtext here: I am not an ASF
> > >> Director stepping in and demanding change, so please don't take
> > >> anything I say as an edict, I'm simply participating in the
> > >> conversation).
> > >>
> > >> Longer term, this may very well be "Apache CloudStack" in the same
> > >> sense that the github whimsy repository is "Apache Whimsy".  Or the
> > >> code could end up in a different place, like the apache-cloudstack
> > >> organization I suggested previously.
> > >>
> > >> - Sam Ruby
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>



-- 
Daan

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