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From Daan Hoogland <>
Subject Re: External fork of Cloudstack (was Re: [GitHub] cloudstack pull request: Is the project attempting a fork on Githu...)
Date Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:09:02 GMT
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:

> > On Mar 19, 2016, at 2:12 PM, sebgoa <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Personally I have always thought that this is a very serious issue and
> trend in open source projects and that ASF (and the board in particular)
> should try to proactively address. What is the future of ASF in a GitHub
> world ? Can an ASF project live outside of ASF infra, especially in a Cloud
> world ? Sadly I never saw any clear proactivity from the board.
> >
> I can answer this by asking you one question: What value, if
> any, do you see the ASF providing to Cloudstack?
> I will avoid the very Mom-like retort: "If all your friends were
> going to jump off a roof, would you too?"  :) :)
> Real Open Source collaboration, and community, is more than
> just developer workflow. Hopefully, one day people will
> remember that... The ASF, however, will never forget it.
> Meanwhile, I still boggle at people who paint Microsoft as
> (still) enemies of Open Source, yet bend over backwards to
> portray Github as true, passionate open source liberators.
> People passionate about open source are seriously pushing
> that projects be hosted on a single-vendor, closed-source,
> proprietary environment. If that vendor's name was "Microsoft"
> or "Oracle" people would be loosing their sh*t; because it's
> called "Github" well, that's OK then.
> Kinds of reminds me, as a libertarian, as those people who
> are willing to give up some (real) rights and liberties
> for some (perceived) additional security.
> I'm not saying that GH isn't useful, but it's not the holy
> grail, nor is it a workflow and platform that we should
> be encouraging the next-gen of developers to swallow hook,
> line and sinker.

​Jim, you sound like someone gave you the impression that they didn't want
​the wip-us repo to be the primary source of cloudstack code any more. I
wonder who and how? I do not care if IBM, Oracle or Microsoft would host
mirrors or clones or forks or whatever. On the contrary, it would be an
honour. I am also very pleased to be able to have a fork on github. Besides
all that, how would you plea that the Apache foundation isn't trying to
bind 'em all with a single repository like all the commercial governments,
as well? As a libertarian I don't trust 'not for profit' any more then any
other business objective. The writing above is yet another sound from the
board that makes me believe there is discontent and I don't understand.



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