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From Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: External fork of Cloudstack (was Re: [GitHub] cloudstack pull request: Is the project attempting a fork on Githu...)
Date Sat, 19 Mar 2016 20:02:37 GMT
Ok Jim, it seems we are on one line here. Sorry to bother but I wanted to
make sure. In my understanding the moving was only about the part already
on github. I'll hold my peace for a while unless we are actually talking
about the technical implementation of a convenient developer workflow again
;)



On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:

> As Sam indicated, there was a lot of hush-and-rush about all
> this, with little communicated and much assumed. It appears that
> now things are more well known and the matters are being
> addressed. But for the record, yes, there was the impression
> and (mis)understanding that "moving" to GH was indeed what
> was desired and "demanded".
>
> My post was in direct response to Sebastien's query, as was hopefully
> indicated by including that paragraph in my post.
>
> > On Mar 19, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 2:12 PM, sebgoa <runseb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Personally I have always thought that this is a very serious issue and
> >> trend in open source projects and that ASF (and the board in particular)
> >> should try to proactively address. What is the future of ASF in a GitHub
> >> world ? Can an ASF project live outside of ASF infra, especially in a
> Cloud
> >> world ? Sadly I never saw any clear proactivity from the board.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I can answer this by asking you one question: What value, if
> >> any, do you see the ASF providing to Cloudstack?
> >>
> >> I will avoid the very Mom-like retort: "If all your friends were
> >> going to jump off a roof, would you too?"  :) :)
> >>
> >> Real Open Source collaboration, and community, is more than
> >> just developer workflow. Hopefully, one day people will
> >> remember that... The ASF, however, will never forget it.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, I still boggle at people who paint Microsoft as
> >> (still) enemies of Open Source, yet bend over backwards to
> >> portray Github as true, passionate open source liberators.
> >> People passionate about open source are seriously pushing
> >> that projects be hosted on a single-vendor, closed-source,
> >> proprietary environment. If that vendor's name was "Microsoft"
> >> or "Oracle" people would be loosing their sh*t; because it's
> >> called "Github" well, that's OK then.
> >>
> >> Kinds of reminds me, as a libertarian, as those people who
> >> are willing to give up some (real) rights and liberties
> >> for some (perceived) additional security.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying that GH isn't useful, but it's not the holy
> >> grail, nor is it a workflow and platform that we should
> >> be encouraging the next-gen of developers to swallow hook,
> >> line and sinker.
> >
> >
> > ​Jim, you sound like someone gave you the impression that they didn't
> want
> > ​the wip-us repo to be the primary source of cloudstack code any more. I
> > wonder who and how? I do not care if IBM, Oracle or Microsoft would host
> > mirrors or clones or forks or whatever. On the contrary, it would be an
> > honour. I am also very pleased to be able to have a fork on github.
> Besides
> > all that, how would you plea that the Apache foundation isn't trying to
> > bind 'em all with a single repository like all the commercial
> governments,
> > as well? As a libertarian I don't trust 'not for profit' any more then
> any
> > other business objective. The writing above is yet another sound from the
> > board that makes me believe there is discontent and I don't understand.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ​​
> >
> > Daan
>
>


-- 
Daan

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