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From Paul Angus <>
Subject RE: Important Pending Items
Date Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:40:38 GMT
Hi Will,

It will be 100% open source. The $dayjob has blocked the team from working on it recently.
I'd like to get some of our ideas into the CloudStack wiki this week before I go on leave
for a week.
Rohit has created a repo for us:
(which looks a bit sad at the moment - I hope to push our Ansible roles for building mgmt.
servers and Marvin boxes into it this week also)

Internally we're planning a two week sprint on it starting 14th March. Having to dip in and
out of this effort is making it very difficult to get anywhere

I think the biggest part of the work will be to get Marvin up to scratch, the log output from
the tests is pretty bad.

We very much want this to be a community 'thing', and we're happy to work with everyone/anyone
to get there.

Any ideas on the most effective way to have a number of people on this - I'm all ears.
In the meantime I'll try to make good on my promises to get our ideas visible to everyone...

Paul Angus
VP Technology   ,       ShapeBlue

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-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Will Stevens
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Important Pending Items

@Paul and @Bharat, thank you for the quality write-ups on this topic.

re:Paul's Details:
I share a lot of your thoughts on this. The hypervisor in hypervisor setup with the ability
to test multiple environments is also core to my thinking. I can't find any details on Trillian,
other than what is in this thread. Is it open source and freely available? This is being developed
at ShapeBlue?

re:Bharat's Details:
This seems like it is the most likely candidate for being able to offer value in the short
term. Thank you for the work documenting it and making the source available. I still need
to review the code. This approach will take quite a bit of work get setup initially, but once
setup, it looks like it will do the trick. By using only freely available software makes it
more accessible than some options which have been suggested in the past.

My thoughts on the topic:
- I think it is important that the CI can test all the different hypervisors and any hardware
integrations available in the environment.
- Ideally the CI tool would be easily distributed and installed at multiple sites. Every company
who depends on ACS will have their own configuration, hardware and mission critical features.
If the CI can be distributed (as independent installs), it will reduce the load on any specific
site and it will enable companies who have specific hardware in their direct path to success
the ability to validate their use case.
- I think a standardized CI output is also important. Ideally the summary of the CI run would
be posted back to the PR thread. I think it is also important to push the detailed logs to
a central location so others can review them. Ideally, links to the detailed logs would also
be pushed to the PR thread.
- I think there should be multiple tiers of testing. Basic simulator testing and full runs.
We may be able to setup simulator testing using a Docker container. I think @pdion891 has
put some work into this that I may be able to build on.
- I think it is probably too ambitious to do CI on every PR before merge, but ideally we would
We may have to only CI the master branch for now and revert any PR that causes it to fail.

I have been digging into this quite a bit today. I will continue working on this as it is
very important to me for the 4.9 release. I would like to setup a CI environment locally as
well to help validate and contribute to the effort. I have some hardware I can throw at this,
so I will be working to get something setup to start testing ASAP.

If I can work off either (or both) of your work, I would appreciate it.


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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Bharat Kumar <>

> Hi Paul,
> The goals and functionality of the CI on which we are working are the
> same (please review the FS<
> trator+and+test+runner+to+enable+continuos+integration>
> ), The difference being the method of implementation. We are not using
> nested virtualisation to create test environments. The work on CI
> began long back but unfortunately due to other priorities we could not
> work on a continuous basis and bring it to completion.
> I agree that we should come to a consensus on what the community wants
> from the CI. IMHO the basic and immediate requirement would be to have
> a stable system to test the PRs and post results. Once we have this,
> we can talk about providing test setups to the community and next
> steps. I think the availability of hardware has been a big hurdle
> (even if we use virtualisation).
> Instead of working independently on the same thing let us work on this
> together. I will share what we have currently, we can use it, or parts
> of it (some of it is there at
>, but it is not
> organised as in cannot be run out of the box). While virtualisation is
> good from the ease of orchestration and resource utilisation point of
> view, it has other problems like compatibility/dependencies issues.
> Also it might tie the CI to a particular Hypervisor like ESXi as you have pointed out.
> So let us discuss on how to proceed further, and get things rolling.
> Thanks,
> Bharat.
> On 11-Feb-2016, at 9:44 PM, Paul Angus <<mailto:
>>> wrote:
> Hi Bharat,
> Early last week I opened a discussion thread around the aims of
> Trillian which we had begun working on as a CI/CD platform for the
> community hardware (as well as individual use). Please could you
> elaborate on where there is/isn't cross-over? In terms of
> functionality and goals rather than method. It would be great to get
> community consensus around what we want from our centralised CI/CD.
> Project: Trillian
> We have been working on PoC of a CI environment design which will:
> * Provide fast build or rebuild of environments for testing.
> * Enable multiple independent concurrent builds
> * Be available on-demand through automation or individual request.
> * Be capable of fully utilising all available hardware
> * Flexible enough to be used to build super-realistic development
> environments.
> We intend to contribute and maintain our work within the Apache repos.
> However, we are currently building the POC, figuring out the
> requirements (and quirks) of the individual pieces, before pushing
> something concrete for to the community to review.
> We envision that Trillian would cater for a number of use cases:
> 1. CloudStack community integration testing of master against multiple
> deployment scenarios (using ASF infra) 2. CloudStack community
> integration testing of PRs against multiple deployment scenarios
> (using ASF infra) 3. Organisations/individuals running the full suites
> of tests available in Marvin against any physical environment they
> have.
> 4. Organisations/individuals deploying and running the full suites of
> tests available in Marvin against virtualised infrastructures which
> can be deployed by Marvin.
> As we intend Trillian to test multiple environments concurrently, we
> use nested virtualization on ESXi hosts (our testing has shown that
> this is the only hypervisor which can support the nested
> virtualisation of all other hypervisors with reasonable performance).
> We use Ansible to deploy and configure all aspects of the build as
> this will greatly lower the barrier to entry for independent testers.
> We use CloudStack to provision the management server and virtualised
> (nested) hosts on the physical hosts. We are creating Ansible
> playbooks and roles which can:
> 1. Create guest instances using Rene's Ansible 2.0 CloudStack modules
> - a Marvin VM, a Mgmt Server (CentOS or Ubuntu), any number of compute
> hosts (KVM, vSphere or XenServer. Hyper-V later) 2. Configure hosts
> (inc. installing the relevant CloudStack agent where
> required)
> 3. Install required ACS packages on management server 4. Configure a
> zone (including adding the compute hosts) via Marvin.
> 5. Run the required Marvin tests.
> 6. Return the results
> We may need to propose enhancements to Marvin in order to sync the
> configuration of hosts with the configuration used by Marvin.
> Using virtualised test environments, we can have multiple test
> scenarios running concurrently. To do this we have found that it is
> necessary to create pools or ranges of VLANs and IP addresses and
> allocate them to environments. So for any given physical environment
> which will be used for testing in, we take the total range(s) of IPs
> and VLANs available and carve them into non-overlapping chunks
> suitable for concurrent use as mgmt, public and guest networks. These
> are stored in a MariaDB database. When a range is being used in a
> testing environment, that range is marked as 'inuse' in the database.
> When creating a test environment, Trillian looks in the database for
> the next available VLAN range, the next available public IP range and
> so on. The returned values are used to populate a Marvin cfg file
> which in turn will be used to both build the environment and when
> running the Marvin testing. When the virtualised infra is cleaned up,
> the database will be updated to reflect that the used ranges are available again.
> This initiative has only recently been started, and as stated earlier
> we are currently figuring out the requirements (and quirks) of the
> individual pieces and looking for the most suitable wrapper to glue it all together.
> Also I have found that Marvin requires a little work to make the
> output more meaningful/readable (especially in the case of errors and
> exceptions) and to make it a little more intelligent about the tests
> it can/can't run based on the chosen infrastructure components. I have
> also found unreachable or very slow ISO and template paths hardcoded
> into Marvin or individual tests.
> We plan to enhance tests to address these issues and also reduce
> runtimes where possible.
> <>
> Paul Angus
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bharat Kumar []
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:57 AM
> To:<>
> Subject: Re: Important Pending Items
> Hi Sebastien,
> As Raja said, we are actively working on it and we will share the code
> on github soon.
> Thanks,
> Bharat.
> > On 11-Feb-2016, at 2:41 PM, Raja Pullela <
> <>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > On item (3) - the BVTs have been running consistently (with same
> passrates) and haven't had the time to automate the process of
> reporting to an external site.
> > Bharat and Sanjeev are working on CI - running BVTs/Regression,
> > working
> on getting it run automatically and consistently.
> > Hope to see it ready soon.
> >
> > Best,
> > Raja
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sebastien Goasguen []
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 2:29 PM
> > To:<>
> > Subject: Important Pending Items
> >
> > Morning folks,
> >
> > We have several crucial pending items, that we need to resolve
> > before
> moving on:
> >
> > 1- We need an RM for master ( just saw some commits there that
> > should be
> reverted or merged properly in other branches).
> >
> > 2- We need to automate writing release notes, pushing/tagging new
> > docs
> when release come out and announcing releases on website. Currently
> neither
> 4.7 nor 4.8 have been announced.
> >
> > 3- CI is still almost inexistent
> >
> > -Sebastien
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