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Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
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Hi Sebastien,

Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.

I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time a=
mong hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)

There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre) vir=
tualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care of t=
hat.

So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
Hello Accelerite!

My 2 pence,
Lucian

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <runseb@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org, marketing@clo=
udstack.apache.org,
> private@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday

> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
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> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to Acc=
elerite
> from Persistent Systems [1]
>=20
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix=E2=80=99s commercial distribution of =
Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for Cloud=
Stack.
>=20
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliatio=
n to
> companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing =
daily
> to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still voic=
e our
> opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have influe=
nce on
> what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also =
one of
> the reasons why the ASF  and us as a project will not comment on this
> announcement. It is Citrix=E2=80=99s business, not ours.
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> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should b=
e
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community g=
row.
> Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going li=
ke
> =E2=80=9Cbusiness=E2=80=9D as usual. We as a project do not depend on Cit=
rix. Hence Citrix
> selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
>=20
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast maj=
ority
> of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF =E2=80=9Cfau=
x-pas=E2=80=9D and
> actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the develo=
pment
> and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies off=
ering
> CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it =
as a
> hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its =
core,
> folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing b=
ack
> for the benefit of everyone.
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> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no con=
tact
> with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I know=
 what
> will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they do=
, we
> will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> transparency and respect (the Apache way).
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> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for CloudSta=
ck.
> Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling =
its
> business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF projects=
. I
> actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more us=
ers
> and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that t=
he
> route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a Citr=
ix
> product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
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> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We h=
ave
> done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized CloudS=
tack
> and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have plugi=
nized,
> we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC. =
Brazil
> is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
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> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security =
issues,
> improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and us=
e.
> This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on ar=
ound
> LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a b=
igger
> threat to our project than Citrix=E2=80=99s announcement. As companies st=
art to embrace
> the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what hap=
pens
> to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don=E2=80=99t buy int=
o the Magnum
> effort, but I digress :)
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> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let=E2=80=99s keep=
 on Stacking,
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> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-=
cloudplatform/
>=20
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack