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From Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com>
Subject Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Date Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:39:23 GMT
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a
market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and
thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that
represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that
is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on
consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There
is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.

Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a
key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that
will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to
share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with
every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro> wrote:

> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time
> among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre)
> virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care
> of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <runseb@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> > CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> > CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF  and us as a project will not comment on this
> > announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> > heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> > individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> > CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> > dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> > release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> > transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> > community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> > question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>



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