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From Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Move to Github
Date Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:50:04 GMT
people, what we are saying by moving to github, completely is that, for
now, we will be moving away from apache. Apache can not take responsibility
for any code that is not under it's control. This is fine, but to satisfy
the foundation policy, maintaining an *Apache* CloudStack we would have to
have a process in place for contributing back to the foundation. We have
been moving at an unmaintainable pace the last few month so change has to
happen.

Please let's discuss this carefully and with tempered down emotions. I am
about +e -π for going to github and would just not know what move to github
entails off the top of my head. One nice challenge is see is creating a 32G
docker containing a cs and two hosts that can be spun up and run a set of
integrations tests on a PR-trigger. Perfectly doable. Any volunteers? It
can be started outside of the move to github because it can be triggere as
we speak from any ci implementation.


But this is not the only one. Let's define as much as possible small
improvements and implement them. These will help us whether we move to
github or not.

regards,
Daan

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:25 AM, chunfeng tian <tianyunqushi@gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 to moving to github.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:17 PM, ilya <ilya.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 to moving to github.
> >
> > On 1/3/16 3:25 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
> > > Bringing this one discuss thread to the top of the ML to get stronger
> > consensus.
> > >
> > > We need it if we want to request a move to GitHub.
> > >
> > > Note that this is not about leaving the ASF, it is about using GitHub
> to
> > its full potential.
> > >
> > > The ASF board is investigating ways for a project to use Github and
> > still maintain strong provenance of commits to keep the high quality and
> > provenance standards of ASF code.
> > >
> > > If we get consensus we can request to the board to be part of the
> > “trial” and move to Github.
> > >
> > >> On Dec 21, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sebastien, This will create a github repo under the apache
> organisation
> > >>> right? one that we can not merge to.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Yes , that’s how I created all the docs repo and the repos for
> ec2stack
> > and gstack.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <
> runseb@gmail.com
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> BTW
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyone can ask for a new git repo which will be mirrored on github
> at:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/create/8
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure if the link will work, but it’s available through issues.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 19 Dec 2015, at 16:28, Rene Moser <mail@renemoser.net>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Seb
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 12/19/2015 10:12 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Late October I started thread [1] about moving our
repo to
> GitHub,
> > I
> > >>>> would like to re-open this discussion.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Now that we have stabilized master and release 4.6.0,
4.6.1,
> 4.6.2
> > and
> > >>>> 4.7.0 we need to think about the next steps.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> To me Git and GitHub has become an essential tool to
any software
> > >>>> development, not using it to its full potential is hurting us.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Just as an example I would like to point you to [2],
this a PR I
> > made
> > >>>> to Kubernetes (a container orchestrator), it literally added 14
> > characters
> > >>>> in a json file.
> > >>>>>>> This was really a very minor change.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The PR automatically triggered 3 bots which created
7 labels, it
> > ran
> > >>>> end to end testss, Jenkins jobs and triggered third part builds.
> > >>>>>>> It was automatically merged.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am fine moving to github.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> But IMHO the git hosting is not the problem, the problem
is how
> far
> > do
> > >>>>>> we trust the current tests and how we can them improve.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Moving to github doesn't improve testing. Doing manual
tests is
> > okay and
> > >>>>>> hard work, it does not speed up things.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We need fully automated unit _and_ integration tests that
we
> trust.
> > I do
> > >>>>>> not trust in mocking and simulating infrastructure.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We discovered most of the major problems running cloudstack
on
> real
> > >>>>>> hardware in real world scenarios. Race conditions, unexpected
VR
> > >>>>>> reboots, VMs not getting IPs from DHCP, etc.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Rating complexity of changes: easy_fix, minor_change, major_change
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Running tests according complexity:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> - easy_fix: just merge it.
> > >>>>>> - minor_change: unit and simulator test passed
> > >>>>>> - major_change: the full blown integration testing
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> IMHO we should work on solid testing and development is
fun,
> > merging a
> > >>>>>> click and releasing a breath.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Fully agree
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I do think moving to github would allow us to run tests on
real
> > systems
> > >>>> more easily.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>> René
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Daan
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tian ChunFeng
> http://cloud.domolo.com
>



-- 
Daan

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