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From ilya <ilya.mailing.li...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Date Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:06:50 GMT
I agree. I think Citrix ramped down the activity in the last year+ as
well (i can only assume it was due to pending sale), hopefully
Accelerite folks will bring new energy...

On 1/12/16 11:05 PM, Wei ZHOU wrote:
> Thanks Citrix for the large contributions !
> 
> As far as I know, some core members left Citrix in the last two years. I
> think this deal does not have big impact for us.
> 
> -Wei
> 
> 
> 2016-01-12 17:20 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>:
> 
>> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>>
>> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
>> Accelerite from Persistent Systems [1]
>>
>> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
>> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
>> CloudStack.
>>
>> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation
>> to companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute
>> to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
>> daily to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
>> voice our opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not)
>> have influence on what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF
>> great. This is also one of the reasons why the ASF  and us as a project
>> will not comment on this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>>
>> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
>> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
>> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
>> grow. Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
>> going like “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix.
>> Hence Citrix selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to
>> day.
>>
>> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
>> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
>> majority of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF
>> “faux-pas” and actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most
>> of the development and release work, we would see other companies than
>> Citrix. Companies offering CloudStack services but also and mostly
>> CloudStack users, a few doing it as a hobby and most because their company
>> uses it. This is open source at its core, folks using a software, loving
>> it, loving their peers, and contributing back for the benefit of everyone.
>>
>> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
>> contact with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do
>> I know what will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still
>> working on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank
>> them for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
>> from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with
>> us. If they do, we will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF
>> project. With openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>>
>> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
>> CloudStack. Observers might think that our project is dead because of
>> Citrix selling its business, but they would be mis-informed about the
>> nature of ASF projects. I actually believe the contrary and think this will
>> be a time where more users and potentially companies will engage more
>> actively. They will see that the route to a successful Cloud is through
>> engaging and becoming part of our community. They will also finally stop
>> thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix product and that might be the kicker
>> that brings them on board.
>>
>> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
>> have done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
>> CloudStack and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we
>> have pluginized, we have had several events... In september we will go to
>> Brazil for CCC. Brazil is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>>
>> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
>> issues, improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
>> and use. This has not changed. We have some very important discussions
>> going on around LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container
>> movement is a bigger threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As
>> companies start to embrace the container ecosystem and building
>> containerized applications, what happens to CloudStack ? How does
>> CloudStack work in a container world ? The same question are valid for
>> OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum effort, but I
>> digress :)
>>
>> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
>> Stacking,
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>>
>> -Sebastien
>> VP Apache CloudStack
> 

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