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From Sebastien Goasguen <>
Subject Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Date Thu, 02 Apr 2015 15:05:36 GMT

> On Apr 2, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Adrian Lewis <> wrote:
> Hi Lucian,
> This is still a very devops/developer centric approach which in my opinion
> is rife within the ACS community (understandably) and which is inadvertently
> hostile/elitist to many who might otherwise be interested. I think that many
> regular sys admins who perhaps don't want to get involved with docker,
> github, compiling stuff, running 3rd party provisioning scripts etc and just
> want to run up a quick POC would end up being alienated by this - they don’t
> have the time to learn these sorts of technologies if they would never use
> them otherwise. Obviously to most of the audience in this list that's not
> the case but I really think that there are a lot of potential (albeit likely
> small) deployments out there where the admins run a mile if getting
> something to work involves the word 'git' or even 'mailing-list’.

So technically you don’t need git or mailing list to get this done. but you do need to read
the docs.

I don’t want to find excuses here, but openstack is not easier to try. Installing the mgt
server and the agent is not the tough part.
To me the tough part is to understand your datacenter and how you are gong to configure your
network. That part is tough to simplify.

so bottom line I agree with you, and would love to see some patches to get this done.

> These
> people just go out and buy vCloud Director instead or do without. Citrix
> would probably get more customers for CloudPlatform as well if it were very
> simple to try out ACS

> ACS needs hobbyists and sys admins in SMBs as well in my opinion, not just
> devops people in large corporations or service providers. More people
> playing with it and in turn talking/blogging about it and raising its
> profile will help immensely. These people need to be convinced that
> #Cloudstackworks.
> Get packages into Debian/Ubuntu and there's an even greater audience. Grab
> the long tail and the rest of the beast comes with it.

We have made some progress there with a “re-factoring” of our debian packages.
But there is still work to be done

> Just my opinion btw - perhaps I'm too old-fashioned and need to learn more.
> Adrian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nux! []
> Sent: 02 April 2015 13:01
> To:
> Cc: sebgoa; Paul Angus
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> Hi Adrian
>> Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was
>> as simple as...
>> 1. Install CentOS
>> 2. yum install cloudstack
>> 3.
>> ...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
>> Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
>> someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs,
>> I reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when
>> they got stuck.
> This reminds me of , though
> there could certainly more/better ideas on how to ease things up, at least
> for a PoC.
> I'm sure Sebastien will quickly propose docker. :)
>> If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do
>> the trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but
>> could we discuss the viability of this?
> I think this will be difficult to achieve, though I am short on proper
> details, I believe the way we (in cloudstack) ship some stuff - particularly
> java stuff - is not exactly kosher from a RedHat packaging point of view.
> They have their own routine, practices and so on. Furthermore, let's say we
> get that right, keeping it up to date in their repo will also be quite an
> effort.
> I think the idea is good and in an ideal world it's how we'd do it, but
> right now with the release cadence of Cloudstack and our few resources, it's
> something that - simply - it's not worth doing.
>> We could do with a one-stop script that does everything for the user
>> including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect & even setting up
>> NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more granular setup
>> scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not feasible, how
>> about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as well (if
>> it works on Fedora).
> See the ansible link I gave above.
> Re EPEL and Fedora, they're having trouble maintaining their own stuff, i.e.
> they removed openstack from there and are maintaining separate repositories
> at
>> Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
>> management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos
>> as a guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier
>> comments about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS
>> SIG (Cloud
>> Instance) aren't they?
> Yep, CentOS Cloud Instance SIG is a different project meant to get CentOS
> running on all major cloud platforms. This one is somehow successful in that
> their official image will boot in Cloudstack and get a ssh key if one is
> set, even execute user data, but there are many bugs and other problems. Far
> from ideal; it would be great if someone with python skills would take up
> polishing the cloud-init Cloudstack source a bit, perhaps as part of GSoC.
> My stance on all this is, bother less with packaging or inclusion in CentOS
> official repos and focus more on getting it to work as smoothly as possible.
> Also, attending the CentOS events with presentations on Cloudstack is a
> great idea to raise some awareness.
> /imho
> Lucian

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