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From Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Date Wed, 07 Jan 2015 10:13:24 GMT
please all have a look at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/gate+requirements
to review my homework;)

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Stephen Turner
<Stephen.Turner@citrix.com> wrote:
> 17:00 - 18:00 GMT, right?
>
> --
> Stephen Turner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com]
> Sent: 07 January 2015 06:04
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>
> We can use the following GTM for tomorrow's session
>
>
> 1.  Please join my meeting.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Turner [mailto:Stephen.Turner@citrix.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:41 AM
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>>
>> I've set up a GTM for this meeting.
>>
>> 1.  Please join my meeting.
>> https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232
>>
>> 2.  Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is
>> recommended.  Or, call in using your telephone.
>>
>> United States: +1 (646) 749-3129
>> Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382
>> Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385
>> Australia: +61 2 8355 1020
>> Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148
>> Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047
>> Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111
>> Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214
>> Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116
>> Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368
>> Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906
>> Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417
>> Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389
>> Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353
>> Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150
>> China (toll-free): 4008 811084
>> Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054
>> Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924
>> Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28
>> Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507
>> Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850
>> France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047
>> France: +33 (0) 170 950 594
>> Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270
>> Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317
>> Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838
>> Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169
>> Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255
>> Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869
>> India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855
>> Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946
>> 538
>> Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010
>> Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875
>> Italy (toll-free): 800 793887
>> Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01
>> Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800
>> Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800
>> 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800
>> 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0182
>> Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219
>> New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302
>> Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046
>> Norway: +47 75 80 32 07
>> Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832
>> Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682
>> Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800
>> 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800
>> 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia
>> (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South
>> Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain
>> (toll-free): 800 900 582
>> Spain: +34 911 82 9906
>> Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772
>> Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186
>> Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393
>> Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13
>> Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854
>> Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131
>> Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683
>> Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641
>> United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom
>> (toll-free): 0
>> 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1853 United States
>> (toll-free): 1
>> 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam
>> (toll-free): 120 32
>> 153
>>
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>> --
>> Stephen Turner
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Turner [mailto:Stephen.Turner@citrix.com]
>> Sent: 16 December 2014 13:03
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>>
>> Were we planning to have another meeting at the same time tomorrow
>> (2014- 12-17T17:00Z)? Animesh, can you set up a GTM again?
>>
>> (Hoping that no-one's going to complain about my date format if I
>> follow ISO 8601).
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Turner
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com]
>> Sent: 11 December 2014 07:23
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Cc: Steve Wilson
>> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>>
>> Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot
>> of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:rajani@apache.org]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process
>> >
>> > Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time.
>> > Will definitely plan to join the next meeting.
>> >
>> > ~Rajani
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi <
>> > animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Folks
>> > >
>> > > We had good initial session this morning and we have started a
>> > > public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad
>> > > for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to
>> > > recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also
>> > > referenced in the
>> wiki.
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and
>> > > +P
>> > > ro
>> > > cess+Improvement+Initiative
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com]
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM
>> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>> > > >
>> > > > The meeting is on ...
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi
>> > > > > [mailto:animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com]
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM
>> > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Yes I am planning to record the GTM
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com]
>> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM
>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it
>> > > > > > so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or
>> > > > > > only become interested after the first couple meetings and
>> > > > > > wants to catch
>> up)?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Will
>> > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, "Animesh Chaturvedi"
>> > > > > > <animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Here are the details.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > 1.  Please join my meeting.
>> > > > > > > https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > 2.  Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is
>> > > recommended.
>> > > > > > > Or, call in using your telephone.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800
>> > > > > > > 191 358
>> > > > > > > Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800
>> > > > > > > 080061
>> > > > > > > Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81
>> > > > > > > 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820
>> > > > > > > 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800
>> > > > > > > 81388
>> > > > > > > Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047
>> > > > > > > 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 00800
>> > > > > > > 120
>> > > > > > > 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777
>> > > > > > > 3281
>> > > > > > > Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380
>> > > > > > > Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008
>> > > > > > > 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech
>> > > > > > > Republic (toll-
>> free):
>> > > > > > > 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919
>> > > > > > > Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800
>> > > > > > > 94473
>> > > > > > > Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805
>> > > > > > > 541
>> > > > > > > 052
>> > > > > > > France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184
>> > > > > > > 4230
>> > > > > > > Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800
>> > > > > > > 4414
>> > > > > > > 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 001 803
>> > > > > > > 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818
>> > > > > > > 263
>> > > > > > > Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388
>> > > > > > > 020 Italy (toll-free): 800
>> > > > > > > 792289
>> > > > > > > Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65
>> > > > > > > Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 01
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178
>> > > > > > > Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 0
>> > > > > > > 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974
>> > > > > > > 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055
>> > > > > > > Norway: +47 21 04 30 59
>> > > > > > > Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 00
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 0
>> > > > > > > 800
>> > > > > > > 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914
>> > > > > > > Saudi Arabia
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101
>> > > > > > > 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800
>> > > > > > > 900
>> > > > > > > 593
>> > > > > > > Spain: +34 931 76 1534
>> > > > > > > Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545
>> > > > > > > Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800
>> > > > > > > 000 452
>> > > > > > > Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800
>> > > > > > > 666
>> > > > > > > 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 00 800
>> > > > > > > 4488
>> > > > > > > 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab
>> > > > > > > Emirates
>> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0
>> > > > > > > 808
>> > > > > > > 168
>> > > > > > > 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States
>> > > (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 1 877
>> > > > > > > 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free):
>> > > > > > > 120
>> > > > > > > 32 148
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Access Code: 285-394-368
>> > > > > > > Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Meeting ID: 285-394-368
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > GoToMeeting®
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>> app.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > > > From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pdion@cloudops.com]
>> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM
>> > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Based on Doodle. Meeting  is schedule for  Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC.
>> > > > > > > freenode:
>> > > > > > > > #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland
>> > > > > > > > <daan.hoogland@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers
>> > > > > > > > > <chipchilders@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening to my concerns folks...  and
>> > > > > > > > > > I'll be rooting for
>> > > > > > > > > those
>> > > > > > > > > > of you that are "doing" to come up with some better
>> > > > > > > > > > practices for the community to adopt!
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi <
>> > > > > > > > > > animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> Agreed
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > > > > >> > From: williamstevens@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > >> > [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Will Stevens
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM
>> > > > > > > > > >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Cc: Steve Wilson
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > I am speaking as a committer who has limited
>> > > > > > > > > >> > insight into the
>> > > > > > > > > 'correct'
>> > > > > > > > > >> way to do
>> > > > > > > > > >> > this via Apache (so be gentle).  :)
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > I like the idea of a wiki page to help get
>> > > > > > > > > >> > everyone on the same page
>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> to track
>> > > > > > > > > >> > the consensus as we move forward...
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > I also agree that it is hard to come to a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > consensus on the list
>> > > > > > > > > because
>> > > > > > > > > >> it is really
>> > > > > > > > > >> > hard to have a constructive conversation on here
>> > > > > > > > > >> > in a timely manner
>> > > > > > > > > >> where the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > different voices can be heard.
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > I think it would be interesting to schedule
>> > > > > > > > > >> > sessions/meetings on the
>> > > > > > > > > >> list so any
>> > > > > > > > > >> > interested party can join.  These
>> > > > > > > > > >> > sessions/meetings would happen in a
>> > > > > > > > > >> format
>> > > > > > > > > >> > like IRC where the transcript of the session can
>> > > > > > > > > >> > be later posted to
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >> list as well
>> > > > > > > > > >> > as a summary of the transcript so it can be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > reviewed by any member who
>> > > > > > > > > >> could
>> > > > > > > > > >> > not make the meeting.  This way we keep all of
>> > > > > > > > > >> > the actual conversation
>> > > > > > > > > >> in the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > list, but we also make it easier to actually have
>> > > > > > > > > >> > a 'conversation' at
>> > > > > > > > > >> the same time.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > It is hard to beat real time when working through
>> > > > > > > > > >> > this sort of
>> > > > > > > stuff.
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Does this make sense to others?  Thoughts?
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Will
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > *Will STEVENS*
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Lead Developer
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> > > > > > > > > >> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w
>> > > > > > > > > >> > cloudops.com
>> > > > > > > > > >> > *|* tw @CloudOps_
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Chaturvedi < animesh.chaturvedi@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > these discussions we have not made much
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > progress on mailing list despite agreeing on
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > the goals and have locked
>> > > horns.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > One possibility after reading Chip's email and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > concerns I see is that, we create a wiki
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > outlining the problem space, possible
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > solution(s) and their specific pros and cons
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > and have people
>> > > > > > > > > >> collaborate.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Once a general consensus is there and wiki is
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > stable we can bring it back to the mailing list
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > for final
>> > > approval.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > This is open as well as requires participant a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > higher degree of commitment to collaborate
>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > will be more structured.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Animesh
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > <chipchilders@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > someone that has the
>> > > > > > > > > time
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to help with this process)
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I love the idea of moving forward with
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc...
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > challenges that we face as a project and community.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I also love the idea that companies
>> > > > > > > > > getting
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > commercial value from this project are
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > talking (as
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > companies) about how to best support the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > project through either directing their
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > employees to work on this problem, allowing
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > those
>> > > > > > > > > interested
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > the time to do so, and / or offering (as
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Citrix
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did) required hardware/software resources
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to make improvements for the common good.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Importantly, I like that the companies
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > involved are mutually agreeing that this is
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > common good.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > That said, I have a concern about the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > outline below,
>> > > > > > > > > specifically
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > in how the definition of approach and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > eventual execution are
>> > > > > > > > > >> handled.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > The proposal of taking this off-list until
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there is a "proposal
>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > ratify"
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is what I'd like to see changed. I would
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > fully expect that a fleshed out proposal
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > hitting the list would be met with more
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > discussion than you would like (and perhaps
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > even met with
>> > > > > > > > > >> frustration).
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What has worked well for us in the past,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > where there is a need
>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > have those interested in "doing work" to be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > able to focus on
>> > > > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > work, has been to start with a call for
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > interested parties (as
>> > > > > > > > > you
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did). Then, using a combination of threads
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > on this list and
>> > > > > > > > > "live"
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings, make progress on defining the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > requirements and
>> > > > > > > > > approach
>> > > > > > > > > >> > incrementally.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Execution of any work should similarly be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > open and shared on
>> > > > > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > > >> list.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Throughout that process, allowing comments
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and openings for participants are critical.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > One of the things we learned about using "live"
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings to
>> > > > > > > > > speed
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > up the consensus process in the past is to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > make sure that while they are fantastic at
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > allowing the participants to understand
>> > > > > > > > > each
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > other, it's critical to remember that (1)
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there are no project decisions made outside
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > of the mailing lists and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (2) that it's important to have minutes or
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > notes from those live meetings
>> > > > > > > > > shared
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > with the community as
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > whole.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Now a very real concern that some of us
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > have is getting bogged down in arguments
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > based on opinion, especially the
>> > > > > > > "drive
>> > > > > > > > by"
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opinions. This issue (plus challenges with
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > people violently agreeing with each other,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > yet talking past each other), is what
>> > > > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > believe has held up meaningful progress. To
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > deal with this, I suggest we all remember
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that projects at the ASF are about
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > supporting those that "DO", while giving
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opportunity for participation and comment
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > from those that might not currently be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "DOING". But those that are doing the work,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and collaborating to reach a shared goal,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on
>> > > > > > > > > >> every
>> > > > > > > > > >> > aspect hold back progress.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > As someone who will not be "doing" anything
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for this effort, but has an interest in
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > maintaining this community's health and
>> > > > > > > > > seeing
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > it continue to succeed, I hope my
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > suggestions and comments are
>> > > > > > > > > >> helpful.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -chip
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +0000,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve Wilson
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Hi Everyone,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> It was great to get to see a number of you
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> at the recent CCC in
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Budapest.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > While I was there, I got to meet face to face
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > with individuals working
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > for several
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > companies that have a real stake in the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > commercial success of the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > CloudStack
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > project.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> After joining Citrix (and becoming
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> involved in
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> CloudStack)
>> > > > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > year ago,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > I’ve come to believe that we need to do more
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > to mature our quality
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > practices
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > around this codebase.  We all like to say
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > #cloudstackworks (and
>> > > > > > > > > it’s
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > true), but
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > this is a massive codebase that’s used in the
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > most demanding
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > situations.  We
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > have large telecommunications companies and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > enterprises who are betting
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > their
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > businesses on this software.  It has to be great!
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> There has been quite a bit of discussion
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> on the mailing list in
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > recent months
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > about how we improve in this area.  There is
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > plenty of passion,
>> > > > > > > > > but
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > we
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > haven’t
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > made enough concrete progress as a community.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > In my discussions with key contributors as
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > list isn’t
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > a good
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > forum for hashing out these kinds of things.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Email is too low-bandwidth
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > and too
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > impersonal.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> At CCC, I discussed with several people
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> the idea that we commission a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > small
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > handle the following topics within the ACS
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > community (which can then be brought back to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the larger community for
>> > > > > ratification):
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>   *   Continuous integration and test automation
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>   *   Gating of commits
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>   *   Overall commit workflow
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> We are looking for volunteers to commit to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> being part of this
>> > > > > > > > > >> team.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > This
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > would imply a serious commitment.  We don’t
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > want hangers on or
>> > > > > > > > > >> observers.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This will entail real work and late night meetings.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > We’re looking for
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > people who
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > are serious contributors to the codebase.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Chaturvedi have booth
>> > > > > > > > > told
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> me
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > they’re
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > willing to commit to this project.  They’ve
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > both managed ACS releases
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > and have
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > a really good view into the current process —
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and I know both are
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > passionate
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > about improving our process.  From my CCC
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > discussions, I believe there
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > are
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and Cloud Ops who are
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > willing to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > commit to this process.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> If you are willing to be part of this team
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> to drive forward our
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > community,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > please reply here.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> -Steve
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Steve Wilson VP & Product Unit Manager
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Daan
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
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>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > Daan
>> > > > > > > > >
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