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From Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Date Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:30:47 GMT
Morning folks,

As an elected member of the ASF and with my cloudstack PMC hat off, I would like to raise
a little bit of caution here.

Core tenets of the ASF are openness, transparency and non-affiliation. A key process is also
that all decisions happen on the list.

While it is good that this type of meeting is brought up on the list, it would be much better
for the community if this meeting was open to everyone, that the dates/time were promoted
on the list and that minutes be sent. Very much like we operated IRC meetings some time back.

The use of the list for decisions is actually for:
-openness
-to be able to include everyone in the decision making
-archival purposes and 
-to remove liability on the committers when we release code. 

My final point of caution is regarding affiliation. Companies have no standing in the ASF.
It is clear that someones pays the paychecks but companies do no influence ASF projects, they
have no voice, no vote etc. This is something crucial in my view, if only because it protects
the contributors. So a meeting between Citrix, SBP, Shaeblue and CloudOps were decisions are
made about cloudstack would be wrong. A meeting between Daan, Rajani, Giles where thoughts
are brought back to the list…is of course fine.

So just a little caution here, thanks,

-sebastien

On Dec 3, 2014, at 11:47 PM, Rajani Karuturi <rajani@apache.org> wrote:

> count me in. I am willing to be part of this effort.
> 
> ~Rajani
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am willing to help out in any way I can.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Will
>> 
>> 
>> *Will STEVENS*
>> Lead Developer
>> 
>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Steve Wilson <steve.wilson@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest.
>>> While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working
>> for
>>> several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the
>>> CloudStack project.
>>> 
>>> After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year
>>> ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality
>>> practices around this codebase.  We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and
>>> it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most
>>> demanding situations.  We have large telecommunications companies and
>>> enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software.  It has to
>>> be great!
>>> 
>>> There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent
>>> months about how we improve in this area.  There is plenty of passion,
>> but
>>> we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community.  In my
>> discussions
>>> with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV
>> list
>>> isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things.  Email is too
>>> low-bandwidth and too impersonal.
>>> 
>>> At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a
>>> small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following
>>> topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the
>>> larger community for ratification):
>>> 
>>>  *   Continuous integration and test automation
>>>  *   Gating of commits
>>>  *   Overall commit workflow
>>> 
>>> We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team.  This
>>> would imply a serious commitment.  We don’t want hangers on or observers.
>>> This will entail real work and late night meetings.  We’re looking for
>>> people who are serious contributors to the codebase.
>>> 
>>> From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me
>>> they’re willing to commit to this project.  They’ve both managed ACS
>>> releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I
>> know
>>> both are passionate about improving our process.  From my CCC
>> discussions,
>>> I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and
>> Cloud
>>> Ops who are willing to commit to this process.
>>> 
>>> If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our
>> community,
>>> please reply here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -Steve
>>> 
>>> Steve Wilson
>>> VP & Product Unit Manager
>>> Cloud Software
>>> Citrix
>>> @virtualsteve
>>> 
>> 


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