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From Nux! <...@li.nux.ro>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
Date Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:45:52 GMT
Rohit,

Agreed, I know very well how it is to get "stuck" with a certain version and your (and everyone's)
need for backports.
Your decision re 4.3 seems to make sense, it looks in good (blue?) shape.

4.5 is starting to look very interesting.

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Nux!
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rohit Yadav" <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 13:40:23
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases

> Hi Wido and Lucian,
> 
> There are many ways to get to a stable product including fixing coverity issues,
> unit/integration tests etc. but one of those ways is to simply support existing
> releases with bugfix releases because most CloudStack users just don’t care
> about git workflows, or coverity or unit/integration tests, they simply expect
> it to work and if it has bugs they expect them to be fixed.
> 
> We don’t have production usage data and feedback from users to conclude that
> 4.4.x releases are stable enough. Some of them (include our customers) have
> tried to upgrade their test prod. environments from 4.3.x to 4.4.x and have
> failed. So we decided to put backporting/testing efforts on 4.3 which we have
> confidence that it just works until a stable 4.5.x on which we have a certain
> confidence is released.
> 
> Just to put out a note here - many smart and active contributors/users may know
> their way around CloudStack such as Wido/PCExtreme and Lucian, but many
> large/serious CloudStack users are slow to change and upgrading every 3-4
> months may not be an option for them. I know quite a few users who are
> operating large clouds and are still on ACS 4.2.x. This simply means they are
> not going to simply upgrade just because there is a new release with lots of
> new features. Therefore the idea of supporting those releases until we have a
> confidence of a new stable release.
> 
> Note: This is not to say that 4.4.x is not stable, we’re simply saying we
> recommend 4.3.x because we have a confidence of its stability and we encourage
> serious CloudStack users to use it.
> 
> The 4.4 branch does not contain many bugfixes which are in 4.3 and on
> master/4.5. I anticipate that 4.5.0 should be out in about 2 months time around
> Jan/Feb 2015. With this anticipation and known confidence of 4.3.x in
> production at ShapeBlue we decided to support 4.3 branch until a stable 4.5.x
> branch is out.

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