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From Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Should we install XenServer tools in systemvmtemplates
Date Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:50:36 GMT
So, what’s the conclusion of this thread? We should not install install xenserver tools at
all?

> On 21-Nov-2014, at 4:59 pm, Stephen Turner <Stephen.Turner@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't even realise we still support XS 5.6. I would advocate not supporting that any
more, independent of this tools discussion, because Citrix won't fix any bugs on it now, even
security bugs. Can't we move to a model where we only support hypervisor versions that the
hypervisor vendor supports?
>
> --
> Stephen Turner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tim Mackey <tmackey@gmail.com>
> Date: 21 November 2014 09:38:21 CET
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we install XenServer tools in systemvmtemplates
>
> The big problem I recall with the 5.6 Linux tools happened during live
> migration.  I don't recall the specific circumstances, but if the VM was
> migrated, it could cause either the guest or the host to crash.  I've never
> paid attention to the specific Linux version in the system VMs, but the
> tools themselves aren't supported for installation on a newer version of an
> operating system than what was originally certified.  XenCenter when faced
> with 5.6 tools on a 6.2 host would actually say that the tools are there
> but need to be upgraded for optimal performance.
>
> This also opens the question of XCP and the tools since XenServer tools
> were never designed to work with XCP.  They probably do work just fine, but
> if there was an issue we'd be challenged to get it sorted.
>
> If the option of automatically having the tools installed isn't viable, the
> next things I'd look at would be:
>
> - removing support for XenServer versions prior to 6.0
> - removing support for XCP (or at least only supporting 1.6)
> - having the rpm/deb packages for each version of hypervisor pre-loaded
> (assuming redist EULA) and when a systemVM starts having a first boot which
> installs the correct package and then reboots the system VM
>
> At least that way the tools would be there, and we'd have better system VM
> performance while still locking ourselves to specific supported hypervisor
> versions.  No idea what impact removal of support for older XenServer
> versions might have on the install base, but I'd hope those on 5.6 would at
> least be planning an upgrade given 5.6 went EOL from Citrix a while back.
>
> -tim
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tim, during 4.0/4.1 we used to install a very old xstools 5.6, can we just
>> use that and if we do will that cause any (potential) issue since you
>> mentioned it has few bugs in it?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>> On 20-Nov-2014, at 10:23 pm, Tim Mackey <tmackey@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the other way around.  Newer XenServer works with older tools, not
>> the
>>> other way.
>>> On Nov 20, 2014 4:57 PM, "Rohit Yadav" <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If XenServer tools are backward compatible then we can perhaps install
>> the
>>>> latest xs-tools (6.2)? Will that cause issue if the underlying
>>>> Xen/XenServer hypervisor version is not 6.2?
>>>>
>>>>> On 20-Nov-2014, at 9:12 pm, Tim Mackey <tmackey@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From the XenServer perspective, we have a small problem.  The XenServer
>>>>> tools are backward compatible, but not guaranteed forward compatible.
>>>> What
>>>>> that means is we'd need to include the XenServer 5.6 tools, and those
>>>> have
>>>>> a commercial license.  The XenServer 5.6 tools also have a few bugs
>> which
>>>>> were fixed in later versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain we could define a minimum version which would work, and
>> could
>>>>> solve any commercial license concerns, but what about having the system
>>>> VMs
>>>>> automatically download and apply the correct tools?  Since we know the
>>>>> hypervisor version, could we even go so far as automatically update the
>>>>> tools should the hypervisor be upgraded?
>>>>>
>>>>> -tim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Rohit Yadav <
>> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the CCCEU conference, I’ve been in some discussions with
few
>>>> people
>>>>>> on whether we should install/bundle xenserver tools (and vmware tools
>>>>>> and/or virtio-modules).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we can easily do this, but let’s discuss the following;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Which version of xs-tools etc. we should install? For the build
>>>> system,
>>>>>> is a publicly available source (iso etc)?
>>>>>> - Will installing these tools cause any issue?
>>>>>> - If we install all these tools on a single template, could that
cause
>>>> any
>>>>>> issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Rohit Yadav
>>>>>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
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>> Regards,
>> Rohit Yadav
>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
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Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab



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registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd.
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