Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cloudstack-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cloudstack-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5609102FB for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17189 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jun 2014 16:43:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cloudstack-dev-archive@cloudstack.apache.org Received: (qmail 17149 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jun 2014 16:43:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cloudstack.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cloudstack.apache.org Received: (qmail 17138 invoked by uid 99); 11 Jun 2014 16:43:59 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:43:59 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of terbolous@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.171] (HELO mail-ob0-f171.google.com) (209.85.214.171) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:43:55 +0000 Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id nu7so3408068obb.30 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:43:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fBLRQc+ZiH54et7L3mq3kHfyvkz/3O6nyfc5wHoE8LU=; b=zsevh53IU++sovpKwhgpP5KAQiFgIHntkdXq2R7u8XfKiIwabgqBsdxM4FpMNVdbrn PdI5O1tOd9cxs9l3zifJfTmyrujjHOBR5W0G5MdyqQTSM9hfJfqswqhLTftJDsLyYI53 Pwd8IEtmwM9MM1UGHwgvl+V3zm2kKDQBGqccSknLnEeyNDfsWCE1BUKO9U2kmMQn7lXv QzzibGtBF9WEN0ILsepe5MfqOq268b06yWp46eG0Xu8GZq3sFj/+DIwYEnwNy3ITGG7l 9EsPmHwnPJh2teWEycZy/WdioWWH3XW3iVNZF/EQcNQycE4XaxS8kExyzMyWDAIHGvlo VySA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.142.37 with SMTP id rt5mr23709362obb.57.1402505011242; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.13.229 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:43:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:43:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Release 4.4 From: Erik Weber To: dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2ec9afdae3604fb9224d7 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c2ec9afdae3604fb9224d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Hugo Trippaers wrote: > Hey all, > > I=E2=80=99m getting somewhat concerned about the 4.4 release. We don=E2= =80=99t seems to be > able to get the 4.4 branch in shape for a release candidate and meanwhile > master is diverging further and further. We also know that once we hit th= e > RC phase we will probably need a sizable number of iterations to eventual= ly > ship the release. Based on past experience, if we keep up like this we wi= ll > have another release that will actually be released way after the feature > freeze for the next release (July 18). Probably leaving us in the same ba= d > spot for the next release. > > I tried to come up with a number of solutions that could rectify the > situation and help the release move forward, but i can=E2=80=99t think of= any. Save > for some options that might be considered extreme ideas. One the the more > prominent ideas in my mind at the moment is skipping the 4.4 release all > together and combine it with the next planned release (whether its 5.0 or > 4.5). This would require a community effort to focus on quality in the ne= xt > month and basically freeze the master for features and have a community > wide push for quality to get the next release out on schedule. > > What happens if that release doesn't make its desired time frame? Skip that too and wait for 4.6 / 5.1 / 6.0? If any drastic choices were to be made, I'd prefer that the next release (4.5 / 5.0) either gets postponed, or skipped. A major version bump with API changes could possibly warrant such drastic change in my opinion. > But before i go on and shout out even more drastic ideas, what do you > think about the current 4.4 release. How close do you feel that we are to > having a releasable product? > > As a non developer I can only comment based on what I experience on the mailing list, but this seems to be a repeating problem.. And something should probably be done to prevent this from being a / the problem every release. --=20 Erik Weber --001a11c2ec9afdae3604fb9224d7--