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From Alena Prokharchyk <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Release 4.4
Date Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:23:54 GMT
On 6/11/14, 9:36 AM, "Mike Tutkowski" <> wrote:

>Yeah, I am concerned about 4.4 getting farther behind schedule, as well,
>but I agree with David that we should not cancel it.
>I know it might be a pain, but I wonder if the RM would be willing to
>people every few days (just an e-mail to dev@) about the current list of
>blockers and their progress and to see if people need help and others
>be willing and able to do so.

Good idea. Should we do the same for Critical bugs? What would be the RC
criteria - no blockers, no criticals?
We should also triage these bugs as sometimes even though they are filed
as blockers, they are not really blockers (As Daan already pointed out in
one of his previous emails)

>On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:08 AM, David Nalley <> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Hugo Trippaers <>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > I¹m getting somewhat concerned about the 4.4 release. We don¹t seems
>> be able to get the 4.4 branch in shape for a release candidate and
>> meanwhile master is diverging further and further. We also know that
>> we hit the RC phase we will probably need a sizable number of
>>iterations to
>> eventually ship the release. Based on past experience, if we keep up
>> this we will have another release that will actually be released way
>> the feature freeze for the next release (July 18). Probably leaving us
>> the same bad spot for the next release.
>> >
>> > I tried to come up with a number of solutions that could rectify the
>> situation and help the release move forward, but i can¹t think of any.
>> for some options that might be considered extreme ideas. One the the
>> prominent ideas in my mind at the moment is skipping the 4.4 release all
>> together and combine it with the next planned release (whether its 5.0
>> 4.5). This would require a community effort to focus on quality in the
>> month and basically freeze the master for features and have a community
>> wide push for quality to get the next release out on schedule.
>> >
>> > But before i go on and shout out even more drastic ideas, what do you
>> think about the current 4.4 release. How close do you feel that we are
>> having a releasable product?
>> >
>> So this sounds very familiar to a discussion we had in 4.1 or 4.2
>> timeframes. (I may have even been one of the folks proposing similar
>> ideas, I don't recall)
>> To save you some reading I am -1 on the idea of canceling 4.4. (though
>> really - anyone can propose a release and ask for votes, we have
>> adopted a bit more rigor, but that structure isn't demanded.)
>> Here's the issues I see:
>> 1. We set the expectation that 4.4 is coming; people worked hard to
>> get features in, and our users are waiting on it.
>> 2. We may not be perfect from a schedule perspective, but giving up on
>> a release is a pretty negative thing to do - whats the reaction going
>> to be?
>> 3. Do you think we are in a position to make 4.5 any better? Speaking
>> very frankly, I worry that we are not. I don't think that we have
>> either the tooling or the social desire at present to make significant
>> strides here. We don't dictate the priorities for individual
>> developers. It might be a different story if we were in a corporate
>> shop and could control what folks work on, it might be a different
>> story.
>> --David
>*Mike Tutkowski*
>*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>o: 303.746.7302
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