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From Alex Hitchins <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Checking in code that will break others' environments
Date Thu, 06 Mar 2014 10:28:17 GMT
I agree too with this approach. One thing I'm not too familiar with is how the current SQL
versioning handled? I know of the schema-xxtoxx sql files but not so much how this are arranged.


Alex Hitchins

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-----Original Message-----
From: Daan Hoogland []
Sent: 06 March 2014 09:53
To: dev
Cc: Daan Hoogland
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Checking in code that will break others' environments

I totally agree with the incremental approach. I am a fascist at time because i would even
want people to add downgrade scripts to any db change they make. Having them not adjust their
sql is a good first step, though.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Miguel Ferreira <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been looking at the way DB related code (SQL scripts and Java classes) are updated
and what is the impact of those updates on a live cloudstack DB.
> By the way, my intention is to support a per-commit DB upgrade of a running system.
> Anyway, I completely agree that sending an email warning people about changes that can
potentially break running environments is a good thing, and can save a lot of time and headaches.
> I also like the idea of Rajani of using tools to help in the DB migration process.
> However, I would like to put forward another idea: what about making sure that the changes
to the DB (schema and data) are always incremental?
> I mean, once a SQL statement (say A) is added to a script it could be kept as is, and
subsequent modifications cloud be made via new statements (say B), instead of adapting A.
> This would allow people to upgrade their databases to the point they ran statement A,
and afterwards upgrade it again to the point they ran statement B.
> The same principle could also be applied to the Java classes that do data migration,
but maybe there it might be a bit more involved.
> Cheers,
> Miguel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Koushik Das []
> Sent: donderdag 6 maart 2014 8:25
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Checking in code that will break others'
> environments
> Before doing a git pull, I generally check the sql schema changes and run the delta manually
on my existing setup. In most of the cases that works for me without having to redeploy the
> -Koushik
> On 06-Mar-2014, at 11:43 AM, Mike Tutkowski <> wrote:
>> Yeah, I definitely just meant a "heads up" during development if you
>> are going to change something that will break other people's
>> environments who update. If these people know in advance, they may
>> choose to postpone an update until they are at a better point.
>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Rajani Karuturi
>> <
>>> wrote:
>>> Across versions db migration is taken care. I think this is bound to
>>> occur while working on a release, if multiple people work on the
>>> same branch with different work-in-progress features.
>>> Could we move to flyway or liquibase which can take care of db
>>> versioning and migration?
>>> ~Rajani
>>> On 06-Mar-2014, at 2:08 am, Mike Tutkowski
>>> <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, in this case, I'm not referring to erroneous code that breaks
>>>> a person's environment (since hopefully the person wouldn't have
>>>> knowingly checked in such code), but rather, say, DB-type changes
>>>> that improve the system, but break current setups.
>>>> Just a heads-up e-mail with some easily identifiable tag.
>>>> Can anyone think of a good tag for this? It's not always DB
>>>> related, so
>>> we
>>>> might want the tag to be more general.
>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Ian Duffy <> wrote:
>>>>> +1 to this.
>>>>> Having the build suddenly break due to a git pull has been very
>>> annoying!
>>>>> I usually end up searching through the commit log and doing a
>>>>> resets until I find a commit where it works. Then waiting awhile
>>>>> until I do a git pull again and hoping the code was fixed.
>>>>> On 5 March 2014 20:19, Mike Tutkowski
>>>>> <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I encountered a bit of a problem this morning and thought I would
>>>>>> bring
>>>>> it
>>>>>> up for discussion.
>>>>>> If we already have a policy around this, please let me know.
>>>>>> So, I fetched the latest and rebased my local 4.4 development
>>>>>> branch on
>>>>> top
>>>>>> of master. This all went just fine.
>>>>>> When I rebuilt and re-started the CS Management Server, I soon
>>> realized I
>>>>>> could no longer log in from the GUI.
>>>>>> As it turns out, the DB schema had been updated and so my
>>>>>> database was
>>>>> out
>>>>>> of date. The code was querying for fields that didn't exist in my
>>>>>> As far as I know, the easiest way to get around this is to
>>>>>> destroy my current cloud, run the script to re-build my database,
>>>>>> then re-create
>>> my
>>>>>> cloud, which is somewhat time consuming.
>>>>>> Do we have a process in place currently in which we ask those who
>>>>>> make
>>>>> such
>>>>>> changes to send out a notification e-mail to dev@ to give people
>>>>>> a
>>>>> heads up
>>>>>> that updating will lead to such issues? On previous projects, we
>>>>>> would
>>>>> send
>>>>>> out an e-mail and then people could be aware to only update if
>>>>>> they
>>> were
>>>>>> prepared for such re-work.
>>>>>> To be clear here, I'm not meaning to pick on anyone in
>>> particular...this
>>>>>> has happened several times over the course of my CloudStack
>>>>>> development
>>>>> and
>>>>>> I expect that I, too, have checked in such code (without sending
>>>>>> out a relevant e-mail) that lead people to have to perform such a
>>>>>> complete re-build action un-expectedly.
>>>>>> What do people think about this? Maybe we should just add an
>>>>>> e-mail tag
>>>>> or
>>>>>> something and point people to the relevant commit?
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Mike Tutkowski*
>>>>>> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>>>>>> e:
>>>>>> o: 303.746.7302
>>>>>> Advancing the way the world uses the
>>>>>> cloud<>
>>>>>> *(tm)*
>>>> --
>>>> *Mike Tutkowski*
>>>> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>>>> e:
>>>> o: 303.746.7302
>>>> Advancing the way the world uses the
>>>> cloud<>
>>>> *(tm)*
>> --
>> *Mike Tutkowski*
>> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>> e:
>> o: 303.746.7302
>> Advancing the way the world uses the
>> cloud<>
>> *(tm)*

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