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From: Alex Hitchins <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com>
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Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
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I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - that said It'=
s old and I can't see people having a need for it.


Regards

Alex Hitchins

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ?

So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003

Regards,

Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus paul.angus@shapebl=
ue.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.battala@citrix.com]
Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2.

Thanks
Rajesh Battala

-----Original Message-----
From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target?

Thanks & Regards
Damodar/


-----Original Message-----
From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

I have tried to put all together in FS at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluen=
ce/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Windowsfication as Feedback section and ad=
ded my comments there.

Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there.

Thanks & Regards
Damodar/


-----Original Message-----
From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

Thank you all for your inputs.

 I will aggregate all these things into FS  as appendix and will put commen=
ts there instead of replying here one by one. Once I am done with update in=
 FS I will notify so that we can verify whether we are covering all or not.

Thanks & Regards
Damodar/

-----Original Message-----
From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekbasu@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no of audience a=
nd make it more OS independent from its core. As far as the tools are conce=
rn, I am sure it's achievable, we have the most enthusiastic community cont=
ributors behind :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins" <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com>=
 wrote:
>
> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large number of Hyper=
-V hosts? I wonder what ACS would add to that.
>
> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Alex Hitchins
>
> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969
>
> alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very unlikely to want =
to have Linux based management servers lurking around, because I think they=
'll be pretty wedded to Microsoft to want Hyper-V as the hypervisor. So bei=
ng able to deploy windows based management servers seems essential to the u=
se of Hyper-V (for better or worse).
>
> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based Enterprises who al=
so wouldn't like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show.  I gues=
s Microsoft think there is a market for Windows based private clouds or the=
y wouldn't have created the Behemoth that is the Azure Pack.
>
> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - so how
> hard can it be? [tic]
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Angus
> Cloud Architect
> S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus
> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang <Alex.Huang@citrix.com> wro=
te:
>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere java runs.  =
However, I see quite a few holes in this proposal.
>>
>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS secondary storage.=
  We need to fix that.  Please have a talk with Kelven about this.  I don't=
 see us adding Samba to any machine that runs the management server.  If th=
is is just about seeding the system template, it can be done as part of ins=
tallation rather than management server.
>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows installer, wi=
ndows service, opening ports in windows firewall.  I don't see any of that =
here.  Or else it's useless for windows people.
>>        - For java, most people write a windows service that launches the=
 jvm and keeps track of the jvm.
>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management server does toda=
y at startup that should not be there and those are what complicates the wi=
ndowfication.   These things should be moved out of the management server a=
nd into installation.  What should be inside the management server startup =
procedure should be checks, rather than generations.  It should check for s=
sh key exists and the database version matches etc but it should not do the=
 following.
>>        - Upgrade of the database
>>        - ssh key generation
>>        - iso generation.
>>
>> --Alex
>
>
> A couple of more to add to the list.
> There isn't really a good binary software dependency resolution
> framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware of) and you
> potentially need lots of different things - mysql libraries, python,
> ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell scripts. Look at the list
> of the dependencies we install in the RPMs for an idea of things that
> are missing. Is the plan to bundle those in the binaries? (If so, we
> need to be having a serious discussion around a shift of a number
> system requirements to dependencies which may or may not be
> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring in how the =
management server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a short term=
 goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe). If you are going to take on all of the refacto=
ring work, please start by building tests that prove that it all works toda=
y and then verify the same behavior in the refactored work.
>
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