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From Abhinandan Prateek <Abhinandan.Prat...@citrix.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
Date Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:10:38 GMT
Anyone, is there an open source windows installer tool ?

-abhi



On 21/02/14 2:30 pm, "Donal Lafferty" <donal.lafferty@citrix.com> wrote:

>I prefer the focus on support that comes with David's suggestion.
>Targeting the latest stable release for a new platform greatly reduces
>the number of permutations to test.
>
>Pursuing legacy systems limits the flexibility of ACS to evolve.  For
>instance, we'll probably be on Java 7 in the next while, and W2K3 doesn't
>appear on the supported system list (see
>https://www.java.com/en/download/help/sysreq.xml).  Likewise, older
>versions of Internet Explorer can be quite different than what Microsoft
>has recently published.
>
>My guess is that the engineering effort to get ACS working on a legacy
>system makes sense as a consultancy service offered independent to ACS.
>That's the case of OS/2 support ;)
>
>
>DL
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Hitchins [mailto:alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com]
>> Sent: 20 February 2014 14:29
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> 
>> I agree totally, my point was that while there is nothing technically
>>stopping
>> us going for w2k3 there is little reason to do so.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Alex Hitchins
>> 
>> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969
>> 
>> alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
>> Sent: 20 February 2014 13:24
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> 
>> There's a difference in incidentally working and validated to work on.
>> I'd limit focus to making sure it works on 2k12r2.
>> 
>> --David
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Alex Hitchins
>> <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>> > I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - that
>>said It's
>> old and I can't see people having a need for it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Alex Hitchins
>> >
>> > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969
>> >
>> > alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
>> > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ?
>> >
>> > So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Paul Angus
>> > Cloud Architect
>> > S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus
>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.battala@citrix.com]
>> > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Rajesh Battala
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target?
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards
>> > Damodar/
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > I have tried to put all together in FS at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Win
>> dowsfication as Feedback section and added my comments there.
>> >
>> > Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there.
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards
>> > Damodar/
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > Thank you all for your inputs.
>> >
>> >  I will aggregate all these things into FS  as appendix and will put
>>comments
>> there instead of replying here one by one. Once I am done with update
>>in FS
>> I will notify so that we can verify whether we are covering all or not.
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards
>> > Damodar/
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekbasu@msn.com]
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM
>> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >
>> > Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no of
>> > audience and make it more OS independent from its core. As far as the
>> > tools are concern, I am sure it's achievable, we have the most
>> > enthusiastic community contributors behind :)
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins"
>> <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large number of
>> Hyper-V hosts? I wonder what ACS would add to that.
>> >>
>> >> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Alex Hitchins
>> >>
>> >> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969
>> >>
>> >> alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
>> >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49
>> >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >>
>> >> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very unlikely to
>>want
>> to have Linux based management servers lurking around, because I think
>> they'll be pretty wedded to Microsoft to want Hyper-V as the
>>hypervisor. So
>> being able to deploy windows based management servers seems essential
>> to the use of Hyper-V (for better or worse).
>> >>
>> >> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based Enterprises
>>who
>> also wouldn't like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show.
>>I guess
>> Microsoft think there is a market for Windows based private clouds or
>>they
>> wouldn't have created the Behemoth that is the Azure Pack.
>> >>
>> >> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - so how
>> >> hard can it be? [tic]
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Paul Angus
>> >> Cloud Architect
>> >> S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus
>> >> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
>> >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29
>> >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>> >>
>> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang <Alex.Huang@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere java
>>runs.
>> However, I see quite a few holes in this proposal.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS secondary
>> storage.  We need to fix that.  Please have a talk with Kelven about
>>this.  I
>> don't see us adding Samba to any machine that runs the management
>> server.  If this is just about seeding the system template, it can be
>>done as
>> part of installation rather than management server.
>> >>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows
>>installer,
>> windows service, opening ports in windows firewall.  I don't see any of
>>that
>> here.  Or else it's useless for windows people.
>> >>>        - For java, most people write a windows service that
>>launches the
>> jvm and keeps track of the jvm.
>> >>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management server does
>> today at startup that should not be there and those are what
>>complicates the
>> windowfication.   These things should be moved out of the management
>> server and into installation.  What should be inside the management
>>server
>> startup procedure should be checks, rather than generations.  It should
>> check for ssh key exists and the database version matches etc but it
>>should
>> not do the following.
>> >>>        - Upgrade of the database
>> >>>        - ssh key generation
>> >>>        - iso generation.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Alex
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A couple of more to add to the list.
>> >> There isn't really a good binary software dependency resolution
>> >> framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware of) and you
>> >> potentially need lots of different things - mysql libraries, python,
>> >> ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell scripts. Look at the list
>> >> of the dependencies we install in the RPMs for an idea of things that
>> >> are missing. Is the plan to bundle those in the binaries? (If so, we
>> >> need to be having a serious discussion around a shift of a number
>> >> system requirements to dependencies which may or may not be
>> >> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring in how
>>the
>> management server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a short
>>term
>> goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe). If you are going to take on all of the
>>refactoring
>> work, please start by building tests that prove that it all works today
>>and then
>> verify the same behavior in the refactored work.
>> >>
>> >> --David
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