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From Alex Hitchins <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
Date Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:28:33 GMT
I agree totally, my point was that while there is nothing technically stopping us going for
w2k3 there is little reason to do so.


Regards

Alex Hitchins

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
Sent: 20 February 2014 13:24
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS

There's a difference in incidentally working and validated to work on.
I'd limit focus to making sure it works on 2k12r2.

--David

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Alex Hitchins <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - that said It's old and
I can't see people having a need for it.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Alex Hitchins
>
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>
> alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
> Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ?
>
> So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Angus
> Cloud Architect
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> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.battala@citrix.com]
> Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2.
>
> Thanks
> Rajesh Battala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target?
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Damodar/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> I have tried to put all together in FS at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Windowsfication
as Feedback section and added my comments there.
>
> Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Damodar/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:Damoder.Reddy@citrix.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> Thank you all for your inputs.
>
>  I will aggregate all these things into FS  as appendix and will put comments there instead
of replying here one by one. Once I am done with update in FS I will notify so that we can
verify whether we are covering all or not.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Damodar/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekbasu@msn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>
> Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no of
> audience and make it more OS independent from its core. As far as the
> tools are concern, I am sure it's achievable, we have the most
> enthusiastic community contributors behind :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins" <alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large number of Hyper-V hosts?
I wonder what ACS would add to that.
>>
>> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alex Hitchins
>>
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>>
>> alex.hitchins@shapeblue.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.angus@shapeblue.com]
>> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>>
>> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very unlikely to want to have
Linux based management servers lurking around, because I think they'll be pretty wedded to
Microsoft to want Hyper-V as the hypervisor. So being able to deploy windows based management
servers seems essential to the use of Hyper-V (for better or worse).
>>
>> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based Enterprises who also wouldn't
like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show.  I guess Microsoft think there is
a market for Windows based private clouds or they wouldn't have created the Behemoth that
is the Azure Pack.
>>
>> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - so how
>> hard can it be? [tic]
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paul Angus
>> Cloud Architect
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>> paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
>> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang <Alex.Huang@citrix.com> wrote:
>>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere java runs.  However,
I see quite a few holes in this proposal.
>>>
>>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS secondary storage.  We
need to fix that.  Please have a talk with Kelven about this.  I don't see us adding Samba
to any machine that runs the management server.  If this is just about seeding the system
template, it can be done as part of installation rather than management server.
>>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows installer, windows
service, opening ports in windows firewall.  I don't see any of that here.  Or else it's useless
for windows people.
>>>        - For java, most people write a windows service that launches the jvm
and keeps track of the jvm.
>>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management server does today at
startup that should not be there and those are what complicates the windowfication.   These
things should be moved out of the management server and into installation.  What should be
inside the management server startup procedure should be checks, rather than generations.
 It should check for ssh key exists and the database version matches etc but it should not
do the following.
>>>        - Upgrade of the database
>>>        - ssh key generation
>>>        - iso generation.
>>>
>>> --Alex
>>
>>
>> A couple of more to add to the list.
>> There isn't really a good binary software dependency resolution
>> framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware of) and you
>> potentially need lots of different things - mysql libraries, python,
>> ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell scripts. Look at the list
>> of the dependencies we install in the RPMs for an idea of things that
>> are missing. Is the plan to bundle those in the binaries? (If so, we
>> need to be having a serious discussion around a shift of a number
>> system requirements to dependencies which may or may not be
>> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring in how the management
server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a short term goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe).
If you are going to take on all of the refactoring work, please start by building tests that
prove that it all works today and then verify the same behavior in the refactored work.
>>
>> --David
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