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From Mathias Mullins <mathias.mull...@citrix.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)
Date Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:34:37 GMT
I'm not a committer so I don't want really to take this one on the Bylaws
side. :-)

Matt 


On 7/24/13 1:19 PM, "Noah Slater" <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

>Nope. Sorry. Feel free to run with it. If not, I can see about doing
>another vote in the next few days.
>
>
>On 24 July 2013 18:02, Mathias Mullins <mathias.mullins@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> Noah,
>>
>> Did you ever review / report / re-vote this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/13 11:17 AM, "Noah Slater" <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for the feedback, Matt.
>> >
>> >Anyone else got any feedback on this? Might cut a new vote.
>> >
>> >
>> >On 24 June 2013 05:12, Mathias Mullins <mathias.mullins@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Noah,
>> >>
>> >> I agree that there needs to be a delineation. Here's my option on
>> >>wording
>> >> describing what is non-technical:
>> >>
>> >> +3.4.2. Non-Technical Decisions
>> >>
>> >> +Non-technical decisions should normally be made by the entire
>>community
>> >> using
>> >> +discussion-lead consensus-building, and not through formal voting.
>> >> +
>> >> +Non-technical decisions are defined as a decision that do not
>>directly
>> >> affect
>> >> +the code in any branch of the project.
>> >> +Including coding, testing, documentation or management of the code
>> >>base.
>> >> +
>> >> +Non-technical decisions can be made on whichever project mailing
>>list
>> >>is
>> >> most
>> >> +appropriate.
>> >> +
>> >> +Non-technical decisions cannot be vetoed, but if there is strong
>> >> opposition
>> >> +a formal vote can be used to resolve the dispute.
>> >> +
>> >> +If a formal vote is started for a non-technical decision, the vote
>> >>will be
>> >> held
>> >> +as a lazy 2/3 majority of active committers.
>> >> +
>> >> +Any user, contributor, committer or PMC member can initiate a
>> >> non-technical
>> >> +decision making process.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt Mullins
>> >> Cloud Platforms Implementation Engineer
>> >> Worldwide Cloud Services ­ Citrix System, Inc.
>> >> +1 (407) 920-1107 ­ Office/Cell Phone
>> >> matt.mullins@citrix.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/20/13 11:59 AM, "Noah Slater" <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Less terse follow up... ;)
>> >> >
>> >> >Note that our current by-laws effectively state that any technical
>> >> >decision
>> >> >needs to happen on dev@. I am just clarifying the intent.
>> >> >
>> >> >Note also that we currently do not define what a "technical
>>decision"
>> >>is,
>> >> >but it is my opinion that this is any decision which relates to the
>> >> >CloudStack source code. (We might want to make it a little broader
>>than
>> >> >that. Open to suggestions.)
>> >> >
>> >> >Almost everything we do involves technology. Whether that is editing
>> >>the
>> >> >website, wiki, JIRA, mailing lists, etc. That doesn't mean that
>>those
>> >> >activities are "technical activities" or involve "technical
>>decisions".
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you think our by-laws need a section clarifying technical vs.
>> >> >non-technical? What should it say?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 20 June 2013 15:14, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 08:21 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
>> >> >> > Devs,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I would like to call a vote on the following modification
to our
>> >> >>by-laws.
>> >> >> > This is in response to the
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Summary of changes:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > * Addition of "3.4.2. Non-Technical Decisions" section. This
>> >>specifies
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > non-technical decisions can be made on any appropriate list
>>(i.e.
>> >> >> > marketing@)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Erm. Does this mean that marketing can't make any technical
>>decisions
>> >> >> about the Web site, for instance?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think this needs to be better worded.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> jzb
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Joe Brockmeier
>> >> >> jzb@zonker.net
>> >> >> Twitter: @jzb
>> >> >> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >NS
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >NS
>>
>>
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