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From John Burwell <jburw...@basho.com>
Subject Re: Object_Store storage refactor Meeting Notes
Date Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:22:10 GMT
David and Chip,

There was no intention to side step to the list.  I will be more careful in my phrasing in
the future.

I apologize for the lack of clarity,
-John

On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:58 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Chip Childers
> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:52:01PM +0000, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:43 AM
>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Object_Store storage refactor Meeting Notes
>>>> 
>>>> First, thanks for bringing this back to the list. I'm +1 on the
>>>> technical approach.
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of thoughts though, just so that we make sure that we keep
>>>> operating in the right manner as an Apache project:
>>>> 
>>>> Let's be careful about declaring something a "decision" or that
>>>> something was "determined" when it happened off-list.  I think that, in
>>>> the case below, you were really saying "we agreed to make this the
>>>> proposal to the list", so no harm there.
>>>> 
>>>> The last bit, about a meeting in person, is a little concerning to me
>>>> though...  It really needs to be open to anyone that might want to
>>>> participate if at all possible (and this means folks that aren't
>>>> physically there).  Also, please be sure to bring back a summary of the
>>>> discussions to the list, so that those not there have an opportunity to
>>>> see what was discussed (and comment if they have comments).  Think of
>>>> the outcome of the discussions as "proposals" that will be brought back
>>>> to the list.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for sounding preachy, but it's important to keep remembering that
>>>> the list is where decisions are made...  and discussions shouldn't be
>>>> closed to community members that may have geographic or temporal
>>>> constraints.
>>>> 
>>>> -chip
>>> [Animesh>] Chip I think by now everyone knows that all decisions need to happen
on the list. John B's proposal to have a face-face meeting I think is good to bring in a good
proposal which can be discussed and decided on the mailing list.
>> 
>> It needed to be said, only because of some of the wording.  I'm sure you
>> guys are going to do the right thing.
> 
> Agreed.
> There are more people reading this thread than those participating,
> and some of those folks may not yet be indoctrinated in the Apache
> Way, and could give the impression, despite the best of intentions,
> that there is some cabal that is making decisions in secret.
> Perception is reality far too often.
> 
> --David


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