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From Chiradeep Vittal <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Making simple installs easier.
Date Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:15:51 GMT

On 4/21/13 3:21 PM, "David Nalley" <> wrote:

>Hi folks.
>I've been thinking about our install process lately.
>We currently require folks to muck about with firewall settings, NFS
>settings, network configuration, etc.
>This makes configuration painful, our docs VERY platform specific, and
>easily prone to mistakes which result in failure to get things to
>work. Even the '' from the 3.0.x and earlier days doesn't do
>enough. What I want to do is get rid of sections 2-4 of the quick
>install guide, and replace it with - 'run this one or two lines worth
>of commands' (
>My natural reaction was to reach for puppet - but I am not sure that's
>the right answer. To do things right, I'd need several puppet modules
>like stdlib, puppetlabs-firewall, etc, which is a fair bit of
>overhread - and oh, yeah, need to install the puppet client. I think
>Chef is probably in a similar problem space. I don't want to resort to
>shell scripts of python - config management tools know the difference
>between apt and yum, and can still get a package installed with one
>declaration, same thing with firewall rules. Is something like Ansible
>or SaltStack a better choice?? I don't see it right now if it is, but
>I don't have much experience with either of those two.
>The all-in-one installation process I'd like to see:
>Install your host OS
>Install an meta-RPM/Deb that either (installs everything, or
>alternatively configures a repo - or just installs the repo and the
>stuff I need to install with)
>Run a command that activates one of these config tools - configures
>the machine, installs the packages I need, and gets me to the point
>where I'm ready to login and go through the beautiful new user gui
>setup stuff.
>I still want to keep the documentation around, it's invaluable for
>experienced users and more complex deployments - but right now it's
>far too much overhead (probably an hour or two) to get things
>installed and setup to the point where you are ready to run the
>'Welcome to CloudStack GUI' if you just want to try CloudStack out.
>So why am I writing this email instead of diving in and solving this
>problem? Well honestly, I'd like some external opinions. I want to
>make sure that I am not seeing a 'nail' simply because I have a hammer
>in my hand. How can we most easily do this? So - how do we make the
>'brand-new' user experience much better? We develop a platform for
>orchestration of complex systems, this should be a solved problem.

+1 for the initiative.
If I look at Apache Hadoop's single node operation documentation[1], it is
considerably simpler.
Apache Tomcat installation is also fairly trivial.


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