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From Noah Slater <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Making simple installs easier.
Date Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:58:14 GMT
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On 24 April 2013 12:57, Noah Slater <> wrote:

> Also + for the initiative!
> On 23 April 2013 20:15, Chiradeep Vittal <>wrote:
>> On 4/21/13 3:21 PM, "David Nalley" <> wrote:
>> >Hi folks.
>> >
>> >I've been thinking about our install process lately.
>> >
>> >We currently require folks to muck about with firewall settings, NFS
>> >settings, network configuration, etc.
>> >This makes configuration painful, our docs VERY platform specific, and
>> >easily prone to mistakes which result in failure to get things to
>> >work. Even the '' from the 3.0.x and earlier days doesn't do
>> >enough. What I want to do is get rid of sections 2-4 of the quick
>> >install guide, and replace it with - 'run this one or two lines worth
>> >of commands' (
>> >
>> >My natural reaction was to reach for puppet - but I am not sure that's
>> >the right answer. To do things right, I'd need several puppet modules
>> >like stdlib, puppetlabs-firewall, etc, which is a fair bit of
>> >overhread - and oh, yeah, need to install the puppet client. I think
>> >Chef is probably in a similar problem space. I don't want to resort to
>> >shell scripts of python - config management tools know the difference
>> >between apt and yum, and can still get a package installed with one
>> >declaration, same thing with firewall rules. Is something like Ansible
>> >or SaltStack a better choice?? I don't see it right now if it is, but
>> >I don't have much experience with either of those two.
>> >
>> >The all-in-one installation process I'd like to see:
>> >
>> >Install your host OS
>> >Install an meta-RPM/Deb that either (installs everything, or
>> >alternatively configures a repo - or just installs the repo and the
>> >stuff I need to install with)
>> >Run a command that activates one of these config tools - configures
>> >the machine, installs the packages I need, and gets me to the point
>> >where I'm ready to login and go through the beautiful new user gui
>> >setup stuff.
>> >
>> >I still want to keep the documentation around, it's invaluable for
>> >experienced users and more complex deployments - but right now it's
>> >far too much overhead (probably an hour or two) to get things
>> >installed and setup to the point where you are ready to run the
>> >'Welcome to CloudStack GUI' if you just want to try CloudStack out.
>> >
>> >So why am I writing this email instead of diving in and solving this
>> >problem? Well honestly, I'd like some external opinions. I want to
>> >make sure that I am not seeing a 'nail' simply because I have a hammer
>> >in my hand. How can we most easily do this? So - how do we make the
>> >'brand-new' user experience much better? We develop a platform for
>> >orchestration of complex systems, this should be a solved problem.
>> >
>> >--David
>> +1 for the initiative.
>> If I look at Apache Hadoop's single node operation documentation[1], it is
>> considerably simpler.
>> Apache Tomcat installation is also fairly trivial.
>> [1]
> --
> NS


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