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From "Musayev, Ilya" <>
Subject RE: [Discuss] CloudStack Spins Project
Date Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:36:43 GMT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Nalley []
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:50 AM
> To:; Musayev, Ilya
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] CloudStack Spins Project
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Musayev, Ilya <>
> wrote:
> > Writing this email to get a feel of what community thinks of creating
> CloudStack spins. Basically, in my case I have a need for some features that
> are in 4.2 master branch but are not available in 4.1 code base.
> >
> >
> > While I wholeheartedly agree with our process at the moment of having
> code freezes and pushing the code that has not been committed into next
> release cycle, there are some major features that are needed to speed up
> the adoption process of CloudStack.
> >
> > I also understand that we can't delay the release cycles because code X is
> not ready to be committed. Unfortunately this is going to happen with every
> release and it's a part of normal development cycle. To complement this
> issue, I propose running community lead spins.
> >
> > For example, I was able to port over the VmWare DVSwitch support from
> master to 4.1 code base, I may need to port over additional VMware features
> like "full disk clone"  that are in 4.2 master but won't be in 4.1.  I can only do
> what's needed in my environment and can't really port features for other
> folks as I have no resources. Fortunately, my environment is similar to many
> other corporate environments outthere and it will benefit many.
> >
> > The reason for this work is that we (as well as others I know), need  some
> features and bug fixes now in order to deploy cloudstack and start using it in
> production - rather than wait for 4.2 realese which will probably at best be
> out in 6 month or so.
> >
> > My intent is to share my codebase on github as well as provide RPMs on
> - the site I'm creating for my CS journey.
> >
> > *I will make it clear that CS community won't support you on the
> > spins, as its not something that is part of official release.*
> >
> > Curious if anyone on this list has a similar need and would like keep to join
> on cloudstack spins project. If you have a similar need as I do, rather than
> working separately, we should work as a team and share the  code base. The
> point of this project is to cherry pick immediate features and bug fixes that
> are not in current release - but if ported over, will have significant benefit to
> a community.
> >
> > Another reason for the spins is to release CS with specific bug fixes more
> frequently, rather than have community wait for official update which is
> cumulative, but may take a while to be released.
> >
> > Comments are welcome, I'm certain some will disagree with this approach,
> hence this effort will probably be off this list.
> >
> I'm happy to see folks doing this with one caveat (actually, people taking our
> code and doing things with it is a great thing IMO):
> Calling it CloudStack will be confusing at best. I fear it will be particularly
> painful come update time. Can I upgrade from 4.1.serverchief to 4.2? or even
> 4.1.securityfix? I'd at a minimum have big disclaimers about that type of
> concern.
> --David


I will distribute from a different site and the package name is going to reflect it. 
Something along the lines of cloudstack-4.1.0.cloudsand.0.1.el6.x86_64

I will have plenty of warning why you should or should not use this spin. I will have good
explanation as to whats different between the spin and original.

The idea of spins is to bridge the gap of important features and bug fixes from 4.1 to 4.2
(and other releases) that are needed sooner than later.

Needless to say, complicated patches that alter DB or break the ability of an upgrade to a
next standard official release will not be integrated into a spin.

The cherry-picked features will be selected with upgradability in mind to next major version.


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