Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AD57E497 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67546 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2013 19:47:54 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 67471 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2013 19:47:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cloudstack-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 67463 invoked by uid 99); 5 Feb 2013 19:47:54 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:47:54 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.125.149.141] (HELO na3sys009aog128.obsmtp.com) (74.125.149.141) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:47:48 +0000 Received: from mail-lb0-f199.google.com ([209.85.217.199]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob128.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKURFhqouV91PfCN1Zql2xjuPdOdGRsZbN@postini.com; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:47:28 PST Received: by mail-lb0-f199.google.com with SMTP id m4so737093lbo.2 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Avwsg6xnr9aZCvd9RBr8l70hBYC52OlvjNU4tOFWg5A=; b=GES2a12/M3kAKOOlPYkAfZlCGSHCuDw0AsaA1g2T5vQwlQZJdZIRVbreZjG63q9QS+ HXn2rfNvqb4X8vnJNwl+3SBIX/5GnwPO7YQpYr6V3iNKKTdcgKVky1QZP1cMeriadMsm diJInS6mXoe7OYLBH53qKryy9Vi8Rm3IAYaSrqLj5Fn3NKrUTLSKG8iTIdaTxWNbcrcD 0iPePNOT3NSbk5jmh5koZSZHcP3YIORZt8wJzrV2UuZhdZ8mPjt7Z6NYKtRyuMR9FP46 taFr3KtPsU0inXspwvAeIgUfn+RoXTu/TmBnDCE4f/+bhinscgUB38NEeQutM5ljxawN QW6g== X-Received: by 10.195.13.11 with SMTP id eu11mr45190244wjd.39.1360093576693; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.13.11 with SMTP id eu11mr45190230wjd.39.1360093576551; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.221.228 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:46:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Redistributing 3rd party code licensed under Apache License 2.0 From: Chip Childers To: "cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org" , Donal Lafferty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm+9/pxvsj3+2hJd06XF0nbTQBw8sghyULcq+4lkQZaxUxidQ/eiLp8rgFMZUL22vPnN4CMMbBapjc2UziLxs5EDe3ZvIKB/jBO7uwpEUosBv4+YxWqUv3OM1Xyo+eA7sm27MRX0heGqp9YP5SzguGhC/nAcrTxVBMGogI0dsjpeOe0tX/B8GJXfLliMo3snd0692rS X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal wrote: > I'd like Donal to offer up an alternative implementation if possible. Is > this the long-term supportable implementation? Or is it just a hack to get > things moving? OK - the thread on legal-discuss@a.o seems to have wound down. For those interested, you can read it at [1]. The tl;dr version is: This isn't a legal problem, but it's a community issue. We have the legal "right" to use that code, based on it's stated license. We do NOT have the right to change the copyright headers, only to add our own for the specific files where there were material changes. The community issue is more important though (and by community, we are talking about the broader OSS community). The suggestion is that we either (1) ask for permission before including this code in our repo, or (2) find a way to use it as a dependent library. Given it's source (and what Donal has told me offline), I think we are better off having this written as pure Apache code. If that's not a possibility, then asking to include the code is important. And further, we need to determine if we are going to "fork it" or "maintain an upstream relationship" with the source. Thoughts? -chip [1] http://markmail.org/thread/ajmuxmxfdrcurswp > On 1/31/13 10:16 AM, "David Nalley" wrote: > >>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Donal Lafferty >> wrote: >>> As a non-committer, developing in the Apache repository was never an >>>option. >>> >>> Would Citrix want the Hyper-V driver it bought with Cloud.com? >>> >>> Is there a NOTICE-based means of including Apache Licence 2.0 code in >>>the repository that originated with the OpenStack project? >>> >>> Should I put the driver in the 'extras' folder? >>> >>> I'm not sure what procedures are available. >>> >> >>So, quite honestly, we don't know either. We've sought out advice from >>mentors and they've pointed us to legal-discuss, and that conversation >>is happening there now. Lets not get too concerned until we find out >>what the folks who do know say and we can figure a path from there. >> >>--David > >