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From Rohit Yadav <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation to a TLP?
Date Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:55:36 GMT
I agree with all the comments, from my side I think we're more mature
now than we were more than half year ago.

We've two releases so far, third one to happen next. We've our release
timelines figured out. We've pretty active development, so many
checkins/day, a tons of emails on ML, comments/discussions/patches/fun
on jira, RB, irc. We've so many users posting their feedback, bug
reports and whatnot. We've seen an international conference in CCC12,
a lot more meetups around the world, blogs, tweets, and even a book in
an non-english language; not to mention real world deployments and
those awesome IRC chats between sysadmins, users and developers, and
companies who are contributing developer resources to the project.
We've regular irc meetings, our ppmc can tackle any project issue, we
saw licensing issues get resolved for example and they know how to run
the project and work with the community. Our committers are doing
great job at collaboratively working with each other, reviewing codes,
discussing things on ML, irc and whatnot. I think we're learning more
and more and we should rely less on our mentors as we're maturing, I
say we're ready.

+1 would just look awesome-er :)


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <> wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chip Childers
>>> <> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:59:39AM -0500, David Nalley wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Chip Childers
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I started a conversation within cloudstack-private@i.a.o about the
>>>>>> prospect of graduation from the incubator, and have received positive
>>>>>> reactions from everyone that replied.
>>>>>> I wanted to kick off the discussion here on the public list, to see
>>>>>> anyone has any concerns or objections to us starting down the path
>>>>>> trying to graduate?
>>>>>> My general impression is that we have come a long way as a community
>>>>>> since CloudStack entered the incubator. While there are still rough
>>>>>> for us to work through over time, we are dealing with our problems
>>>>>> well as a community. The simple reason that I believe we are in a
>>>>>> position to ask to graduate, is that we are no longer getting value
>>>>>> the incubation process!  That's a good thing, because it means that
>>>>>> have managed to learn quite a bit about the ASF processes, rules,
>>>>>> methods and preferences.
>>>>>> Thoughts, comments, discussion?
>> Are you thinking to do this prior to 4.2 release ?
>> With my individual hat on, I think it might be best to put up a strong 4.2 release
and then vote for graduation. It would strengthen our case.
> So I had similar thoughts originally and actually meant 4.2.
> Here is what changed my mind:
> I don't see us actively receiving any benefit from continuing in
> incubation. We are far from perfect, but the project seems to be
> policing itself. so I am not seeing a huge incentive to staying.
> There are also some downsides to remaining in incubation. First
> there's the label 'incubation' that follows almost everything we do,
> and is potentially off-putting to potential community members. Second
> as a community there are a number of things we can't do for ourselves,
> and thus have to ask permission or for help - this includes votes on
> releases, creating new user accounts, etc. I think of this as the
> overhead of being in the incubator.
> And finally, while this isn't really a big deal from our perspective,
> we have 8 mentors, and their continued focus on us means more of their
> time they can't focus on other incubating projects. And given our -dev
> list volume, I imagine us to be a handful to keep up with.
> --David

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