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From Sheng Yang <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:15:20 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM,  <> wrote:
> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button now?

+1 on abusing reply-all button.

> Thanks.
> -kd
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sheng Yang []
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <> wrote:
>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more efficient
> traffic
>>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
> conventions that
>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as tagged
> topics
>>and ccing.
>>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC to
>>> respective person boldly, and let them configure their email client so
>>> the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently the
>>mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing list address
> itself
>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed automatically
>>after that.
>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It would
> be a
>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be used to
>>it soon.
>>> Regards.
>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>> --Sheng
>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang []
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su <>
>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list
>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC
>>>>>>> somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look at?
>>>>>>> think it will save both of us a lot of time.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I
>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's attention,
>>>>>>> > for VOTE threads or release planning updates, etc...  I
>>>>>>> > to understand how folks want to see this.  I thought that
>>>>>>> > and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for people to actually
>>>>>>> > attention to, but it appears to not be working.
>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and
>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you
>>>>>>> that it's not working well, that's probably means, people are
>>>>>>> lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with CC'ing
>>>>>>> someone directly, but this should not be an issue even with our
>>>>>>> current mailing list policy).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they
>>>>>>> > actually pay attention to that thread!  I've seen times
>>>>>>> > people start a thread, but don't respond to queries from
>>>>>>> > in the community.  This is especially vexing when the thread
>>>>>>> > about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently
>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two
>>>>>>> them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but
>>>>>>> got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it completely.
>>>>>>> I personally feel even I am intently to find back my thread,
>>>>>>> would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - it's very possible
>>>>>>> missed it when skim for the first time, then realize where is
>>>>>>> thread? Then check back again(that's what's happened to me this
>>>>>>> morning). That's very annoying. I suppose we would deal with
>>>>>>> mailing list based on a priority, even we would skim them all.
>>>>>>> course on the top of priority list is the threads I involved.
>>>>>>> I cannot tell which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds
>>>>>>> of mails. What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads
> easily.
>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how
>>>>>>> Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only sent
>>>>>>> to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails to
>>>>>>> out which one got their attention yesterday(though I also believe
>>>>>>> they got tons of CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -chip

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