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From Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:25:11 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
> Lol, I am in agreement with you Rohit!
>
> I just don't see in the list a CLEAR answer to this thread.

I think after we switch over, we should send out an announcement, and
list all the things need to be concerned as well: e.g. use reply all
by default, no off-list chat, etc.

--Sheng
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
>>Of Rohit Yadav
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:17 PM
>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>
>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button
> now?
>>>
>>> +1 on abusing reply-all button.
>>
>>+1 i.e. to say fix your email client and not the ML.
>>
>>>
>>> --Sheng
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -kd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>>>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org>
>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more
>>>>>>>>> efficient
>>>> traffic
>>>>>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
>>>> conventions that
>>>>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as
>>>>>tagged
>>>> topics
>>>>>and ccing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC
>>>>>> to respective person boldly, and let them configure their email
>>>>>> client so the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>>>>>
>>>>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently
>>>>>the mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing
>>>>>list address
>>>> itself
>>>>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed
>>>>>automatically after that.
>>>>>
>>>>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It
>>>>>would
>>>> be a
>>>>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be
>>>>>used to it soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>--Sheng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not
CC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su
>>>>>>>>>> > <Edison.su@citrix.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails
on dev list
>>>>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage
us CC
>>>>>>>>>> to somebody if you think the topic he/she should
take a look
>>>>>>>>>> at? I think it will save both of us a lot of time.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I
know that I need
>>>>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried
about are:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's
>>>>>>>>>> > attention, for VOTE threads or release planning
updates,
>>>>>>>>>> > etc...  I struggle to understand how folks want
to see this.
>>>>>>>>>> > I thought that VOTE and ACS41 would be sufficient
headers for
>>>>>>>>>> > people to actually pay attention to, but it
appears to not be
>>working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the
most case, and
>>>>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did.
But as you
>>>>>>>>>> feel that it's not working well, that's probably
means, people
>>>>>>>>>> are lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved
with
>>>>>>>>>> CC'ing someone directly, but this should not be an
issue even
>>>>>>>>>> with our current mailing list policy).
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect
that they
>>>>>>>>>> > would actually pay attention to that thread!
 I've seen times
>>>>>>>>>> > when people start a thread, but don't respond
to queries from
>>>>>>>>>> > others in the community.  This is especially
vexing when the
>>>>>>>>>> > thread is about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are
not intently
>>>>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss
one or two
>>>>>>>>>> of them in the next day. Or you start a thread one
week ago but
>>>>>>>>>> only got response 1 week later, you also may be miss
it
>>>>>>>>>> completely. And I personally feel even I am intently
to find
>>>>>>>>>> back my thread, it would take 10s even 30s to find
my thread -
>>>>>>>>>> it's very possible I missed it when skim for the
first time,
>>>>>>>>>> then realize where is that thread? Then check back
again(that's
>>>>>>>>>> what's happened to me this morning). That's very
annoying. I
>>>>>>>>>> suppose we would deal with the mailing list based
on a
>>>>>>>>>> priority, even we would skim them all. Of course
on the top of
>>>>>>>>>> priority list is the threads I involved. But I cannot
tell
>>>>>>>>>> which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds
of mails.
>>>>>>>>>> What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads
>>>> easily.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot
image how
>>>>>>>>>> can Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the
mail is only
>>>>>>>>>> sent to mailing list, and they have to go through
all the mails
>>>>>>>>>> to find out which one got their attention yesterday(though
I
>>>>>>>>>> also believe they got tons of CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > -chip
>>>>
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