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From <kdam...@apache.org>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:11:10 GMT
Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button now?

Thanks. 

-kd


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>
>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more efficient
traffic
>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
conventions that
>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as tagged
topics
>and ccing.
>>>>
>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>
>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>
>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC to
>> respective person boldly, and let them configure their email client so
>> the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>
>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently the
>mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing list address
itself
>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed automatically
>after that.
>
>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It would
be a
>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be used to
>it soon.
>
>--Sheng
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>
>>> --Sheng
>>>>
>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>
>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su <Edison.su@citrix.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list
>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC  to
>>>>>> somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look at? I
>>>>>> think it will save both of us a lot of time.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I need
>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about are:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's attention,
>>>>>> > for VOTE threads or release planning updates, etc...  I struggle
>>>>>> > to understand how folks want to see this.  I thought that VOTE
>>>>>> > and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for people to actually
pay
>>>>>> > attention to, but it appears to not be working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and
>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you feel
>>>>>> that it's not working well, that's probably means, people are
>>>>>> lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with CC'ing
>>>>>> someone directly, but this should not be an issue even with our
>>>>>> current mailing list policy).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they would
>>>>>> > actually pay attention to that thread!  I've seen times when
>>>>>> > people start a thread, but don't respond to queries from others
>>>>>> > in the community.  This is especially vexing when the thread
is
>>>>>> > about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently
>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two of
>>>>>> them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but only
>>>>>> got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it completely. And
>>>>>> I personally feel even I am intently to find back my thread, it
>>>>>> would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - it's very possible I
>>>>>> missed it when skim for the first time, then realize where is that
>>>>>> thread? Then check back again(that's what's happened to me this
>>>>>> morning). That's very annoying. I suppose we would deal with the
>>>>>> mailing list based on a priority, even we would skim them all. Of
>>>>>> course on the top of priority list is the threads I involved. But
>>>>>> I cannot tell which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds
>>>>>> of mails. What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads
easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how can
>>>>>> Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only sent
>>>>>> to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails to find
>>>>>> out which one got their attention yesterday(though I also believe
>>>>>> they got tons of CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -chip


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