Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0757DB60 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62449 invoked by uid 500); 18 Dec 2012 23:40:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62199 invoked by uid 500); 18 Dec 2012 23:40:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cloudstack-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62180 invoked by uid 99); 18 Dec 2012 23:40:40 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:40:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of nour.mohammad@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.181] (HELO mail-ea0-f181.google.com) (209.85.215.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:40:35 +0000 Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k14so549365eaa.40 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:40:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QeX8QP1LsQnE0vDukZAO94qzwaqitE0GBKso89DCfK0=; b=kB+EL6KNtMHoQbgs5hZVWFq8WsvG2uBOEAZryowouSLMBY9oD6OLlIhuTJRP0980EX lRjgvCRZ73BovQdcHK6iLENIyhnwq7P2gaVcUzxWdhc/YX62gbBjF+cKUMlw5zl+TN1f uhlwE0FZDAoyunPkMLrpRtWY1qr4sZpH+fv2rDvsUwSPJNU/fRfQt+ZBHdCgtGKmHino MJfgAXUvqqQHEkaPTx0UcdqvEdjsnvZel6MTzwVYp/oXyGwx16/9oLJ+REr/oZrNNPLG WIq9nojGfxxAUVFzqBrJlS7DjC9fGSlI6si2S5gncmis3MPBaYHG2Iyh6TxAVBMPaXN0 eRvg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.133 with SMTP id z5mr9727025eel.15.1355874014073; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.125.202 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7914B38A4445B34AA16EB9F1352942F1012F142CFAA9@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> References: <7914B38A4445B34AA16EB9F1352942F1012F142CFA92@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> <20121218230857.GA98583@cloud.citrite.net> <20121218231135.GB98583@cloud.citrite.net> <7914B38A4445B34AA16EB9F1352942F1012F142CFAA9@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:40:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call From: Mohammad Nour El-Din To: CloudStack Users Cc: "cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b62226ef812b504d12904c0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --047d7b62226ef812b504d12904c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Sudha... On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti < sudha.ponnaganti@citrix.com> wrote: > One of the concerns is that QA may not feel comfortable to discuss all the > QA topics in Dev mailing list. > Would like to attract QA community to contribute more than just testing - > development of tools and adoption of automation. > > As is QA is not participating frequently and current dedicated effort is > to accelerate that. I am not sure if that would be successful or not but I > sense that QA is not feeling comfortable to discuss QA topics in Dev > mailing lists. Several times QA folks are being nudged to post on dev > mailing lists from few folks participated in 4.0 QA effort. That is why I > thought this approach might help. > > Intention is not to isolate this mailing list but to keep focus and > encourage participation. > I understand your concern, but allow me to disagree with you about one main point, IMO this is encouraging more to like divide the ACS community, using different mailing lists is not to categorize people or to use it as as if we have departments in team, we use different mailing lists mainly for better scope and some times for privacy when it matters about some aspects that should not be discussed in public and in this case I don't see any of these, I know you don't mean that at all I am just explaining what would that lead at the end Actually I would not call the QA ppl, I will call them contributors, or persons interested to contribute to ACS development related tasks which are of more QA nature Actually I would better encourage them to go one the -dev list and start spamming it with QA e-mails :D > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.mohammad@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:17 PM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; CloudStack Users > Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call > > Hi > > Allow me to dis-agree with you about one minor point that > differentiates frequest/planned/scheduled QA tasks or activities than than > what users find while using ACS, I think what is proposed is related to the > former point > > The idea itself is appealing but the amount of interaction really needs > separate mailing list ? Can we just send e-mail tagged with [QA] for > example which then helps filter out QA related e-mails ? > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Prasanna Santhanam < > prasanna.santhanam@citrix.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:38:57AM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:32:02AM +0530, Sudha Ponnaganti wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Reaching out to community to see if we can have a dedicated QA > > > > mailing list mainly to have a focused attention around QA > > > > Activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > - To discuss automation acceleration. We already have > > > > sizable scripts and need to get those running in to apache env > > > > > > > > - Discuss QA strategy and have community participate little > > > > bit more - Dev community is very active but QA is not at the same > > > > level. There are too many discussions in dev mailing list already. > > > > Afraid that QA may not get enough attention > > > > > > > > - Discuss project QA activities and track progress and > > > > present relevant info to community. Intention is not to take away > > > > visibility but to have a focused vision on QA. > > > > > > > > - Discuss other QA initiatives and have owners drive these > > > > initiatives - mainly around automation frameworks, tools > > > > implementation for QA > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do express your opinion on this. > > > > > > > > Also I am going to setup a call to discuss ASF CS 4.1 release QA > > > > activities starting next week as we are getting close to the > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > Why not use the -users list? It's not high-traffic and QA are users > > > testing/using the product? It will encourage our users to test > > > alongside releases and participate in the testing process. Some of > > > our users I'm sure can contribute automated tests. > > > > > Including the users (+cross-posting) > > > > > > -- > > Prasanna., > > > > > > -- > Thanks > - Mohammad Nour > ---- > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" > - Albert Einstein > -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein --047d7b62226ef812b504d12904c0--