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From Noah Slater <>
Subject Re: What Gartner can't - or won't - tell you about OpenStack Cloud
Date Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:36:18 GMT
+1 to what David said. The best response to most FUD is to a) ignore it,
and b) double down on our efforts to make CloudStack rock. Bring on new
committers, add more features, ship more software.

If there is ever the need to clarify something, it should be done on these
lists, to our users. We have very little to gain by clarifying other
people's mistakes on blogs, or wherever. The Internet is a big place, and
people are often wrong.

Me and a friend once humorously coined Ginsparg's Law:

“People being wrong is hardly a revelation.”


On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:11 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:

> Hi folks:
> So a couple of comments.
> I appreciate the level of passion seen in this thread - it tells me
> that people love CloudStack. That said, open source projects competing
> among themselves is almost always fruitless. The world is large enough
> for two, three, or more open source IaaS projects. (Just like the
> world is big enough for PostgreSQL and MySQL; Red Hat, Ubuntu, SLES,
> Slackware, and others.) In short, this project's goal is not to beat
> OpenStack. The goal is to be a useful, stable, community-led
> Infrastructure-as-a-Service open source project.
> When you see articles that contain misinformation, it's perfect
> acceptable to provide corrections. It's also important to catch what
> they see as legitimate defects - file those as bugs, and lets correct
> them. Far more valuable though, IMO, is that we spend our time doing
> the the following two things:
> 1. Testing, fixing, and documenting Apache CloudStack so that it is
> the best IaaS platform available. (Have you tested the latest 4.0.0 RC
> builds?)
> 2. Telling the story of how/why we use CloudStack (notice I didn't say
> why it's better, or why it beats $foo project)
> To that end, John Kinsella has been working with Apache Infrastructure
> to get an Apache CloudStack planet setup where we can aggregate such
> blogs, so watch for updates on this front and consider aggregating
> your blog there, but don't hesitate to start blogging now :)
> --David


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