Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4316D5F8 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 89816 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2012 20:15:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89788 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2012 20:15:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cloudstack-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89780 invoked by uid 99); 7 Aug 2012 20:15:07 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:15:07 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [109.72.87.137] (HELO smtp01.mail.pcextreme.nl) (109.72.87.137) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:15:02 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2a00:f10:11c:ab:5de8:1272:9882:b60c] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:f10:11c:ab:5de8:1272:9882:b60c]) by smtp01.mail.pcextreme.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 79950761C9 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5021772F.3070100@widodh.nl> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:14:39 +0200 From: Wido den Hollander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: System VM OS (was RE: IPtables deb in source repo) References: <61AE1E2837A06D4A8E98B796183842D401292FF6B34F@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> In-Reply-To: <61AE1E2837A06D4A8E98B796183842D401292FF6B34F@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 08/07/2012 08:26 PM, Kevin Kluge wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edison Su [mailto:Edison.su@citrix.com] >> >> Maybe we can switch to Ubuntu 12.04?: >> VMware supports it: >> http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/Ubuntu_12_04.html >> Xen/KVM supports it by default. > > My recollection is that we picked Debian for stability and security. I'm sure other distros would work, but this is a piece of CloudStack where a conservative position (going for security and stability over perf and features) is critical. Chiradeep is offline for a few days. I'd really like to hear his thoughts and whatever experiments and research he did prior to selecting Debian. > > I like your point that we could choose an OS that is on the list of commercially supported guest OSes for the various hypervisors. But given how few problems we've had with Debian I'm not sure how much practical gain we'll get from making a change for this reason. > This could however be the point where we say that .deb files are needed! This way we can easily build a Debian and/or Ubuntu System VM and users can download both templates based on what they want. Like Edison already said, it's just a Debian VM with a bunch of scripts. All those scripts can be packaged. Packaging would even make it easier to keep track of what files we actually have inside a System VM and what we are doing. The whole System VM's are still a bit foggy to me. Whenever we're able to build DEBs we should also be able to build RPM's just as easy. Wido