Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B7D79007 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32566 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jul 2012 08:09:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32506 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jul 2012 08:09:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cloudstack-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32470 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jul 2012 08:09:56 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 08:09:56 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [109.72.87.138] (HELO smtp02.mail.pcextreme.nl) (109.72.87.138) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 08:09:50 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2a00:f10:11c:ab:a418:113b:5dd0:2a73] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:f10:11c:ab:a418:113b:5dd0:2a73]) by smtp02.mail.pcextreme.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 58098DEB25 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:59:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FF0037E.40503@widodh.nl> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 09:59:58 +0200 From: Wido den Hollander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Runbook for a very small setup References: <4FEF0985.3050903@widodh.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 06/30/2012 07:39 PM, David Nalley wrote: >> Looks great! Seems like an easy way for people to set up their first >> cluster. >> >> Although I really do like this initiative, shouldn't we be cautious that we >> are bringing up to much documentation? > > It is indeed a concern - too much documentation becomes un-maintained > documentation. (such as the quick install guide that was once useful > but has now fallen into disrepair) > >> >> We already have a PDF where we explain people how to set up CloudStack. We >> should prevent having multiple docs which might say different things :) > > So the best and worst of the existing install guide is that it's > descriptive, and talks about every possible trip down the rabbit hole. > That is good and bad - much like Linux - so many things that you can > do, but for most people your first experience with Linux shouldn't > involve custom compiling your kernel. That makes it descriptive rather > than prescriptive - and it also assumes a large amount of knowledge in > multiple domains (virtualization, networking, linux, etc) Those really > are prereqs for success in deploying CloudStack, but precious few > people possess all of the necessary knowledge in each of those > domains. I fully expect the install guide to remain the canonical > document - and I copied much from it (many thanks to Kevin, Jessica, > and Radhika for their work on the document). I don't think that > necessarily means that there is no place for things like the runbook > though, provided that they remain maintained. (we should probably > actively cull documents that aren't maintained for every major > release.) Ack. As long as stuff stays maintained I don't see a problem. We should just be aware of documents telling contradictions. "The runbook says I should do A, but the Install Guide says B: Which one is right?" Wido > > --David >