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From Lewis John McGibbney <lewi...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSS] Retire OCW?
Date Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:25:39 GMT
This gets at my original statement. To expand however, let me state, project activity is very
low, new contributions are not being reviewed, the roadmap is not clear, there seems to be
a proposal to literally drop-in replace current master OCW codebase with BCDP which has yet
to be open sourced. 
None of this is particularly pro-community growth.
I am not particularly happy with the way the community is being managed here at Apache. Nothing
is particularly clear. The community seems very stagnant and pretty much dead. This is in
agreement with  reporter.apache.org community health score which is -3.47 and indicates that
work is required. 
This thread actually is the most activity the project has seen in the last 3 months!
I had to file the PMC report this month... for those who want to see what that looked like
please monitor whimsy.
I think some timelines backing up Alex's proposals are needed. Otherwise we are just delaying
the slow death of OCW further.
Lewis

On 2019/11/20 16:52:47, Michael Anderson <michael.arthur.anderson@gmail.com> wrote:

> That’s pretty interesting.   I like adding incremental features with the goal of replacing
rather than outright demise of the old library.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Goodman, Alexander (US 398K) <alexander.goodman@jpl.nasa.gov.invalid>
wrote:
> > 
> > Since the plots didn't attach in the last message, here they are:
> > 
> > https://i.imgur.com/mAuq0R5.png
> > https://i.imgur.com/TeRYSPI.png
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Goodman, Alexander (US 398K) <alexander.goodman@jpl.nasa.gov.INVALID>

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:05 AM
> > To: dev@climate.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSS] Retire OCW?
> > 
> > Hi Michael,
> > 
> > Please see this overview slide:
> > https://i.imgur.com/VnijQ5C.png
> > 
> > Here is also a link of some older slides which have a lot more details:
> > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nhD3_fZmVcmBnq9NiMBYeDMsxr5kIimI7dE9NNUQJEM/edit?usp=sharing
> > 
> > I also created an end-to-end processing benchmark that I compared with the current
OCW, which I have attached in two plots: One with regridding and one without, since the difference
is so vast. I first presented these results at the AMS Annual meeting last year in Phoenix.
> > 
> > Let me know if you have any questions.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Anderson <michael.arthur.anderson@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:59 PM
> > To: dev@climate.apache.org
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSS] Retire OCW?
> > 
> > Do you have an overview of the new library you could share?  It'd be interesting
how big the gap between the old and new would be / rough LOE to add parity.
> > 
> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:35 PM Alex Goodman <goodman@apache.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Lewis,
> >> 
> >> To add some more specifics, the new xarray-based API I have developed 
> >> for OCW called BCDP (Big Climate Data Pipeline) has recently been 
> >> approved for release to open source. Keep in mind, this is a 
> >> completely new API that is not backwards compatible, so we were 
> >> planning to maintain both the old and new API under one repository 
> >> (either as separate subfolders or git
> >> branches) until the new API has enough functionality to fully replace 
> >> the old one. To accelerate this process and encourage more 
> >> development, both Kyo and I are seeking some additional funding 
> >> sources which we should be more certain about early next year. When I 
> >> first conceived BCDP, I was originally planning on releasing it to 
> >> open source as a separate project outside of OCW, but after some 
> >> discussion we thought that it would be better to maintain the OCW brand for
it if possible.
> >> 
> >> Does this make sense?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex
> >>> On 2019/11/20 00:17:22, lewis john mcgibbney <lewismc@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>> I got this from Kyo offline
> >>> 
> >>> “There is enough motivation to keep OCW going. Alex has almost 
> >>> refactored OCW and Seungwon Lee's CMDA will be a part of OCW.”
> >>> 
> >>> Some of us will remember that CMDA was retired from the Apache 
> >>> Incubator previously.
> >>> 
> >>> It would be great if these plans could be hashed out on the mailing 
> >>> list
> >> so
> >>> we can move forward either way.
> >>> 
> >>> Lewis
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 09:32 Lewis John Mcgibbney < 
> >>> lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>> Project activity is very low and new contributions are not being
> >> reviewed.
> >>>> Simply, is it time to retire OCW to the Apache Attic?
> >>>> Best
> >>>> Lewis
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> 
> >>>> *Lewis*
> >>>> Dr. Lewis J. McGibbney Ph.D, B.Sc
> >>>> *Skype*: lewis.john.mcgibbney
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> >>> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >>> 
> >> 
> 

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