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From Bob Schellink <sab...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
Date Sat, 21 Sep 2013 13:44:40 GMT
Hi Denis,

That sounds great, I'll be around for answering any questions, technical or otherwise.

Kind regards

Bob

On 2013/09/20 17:07, Dennis M. J. Yerger wrote:
> Earlier this year I joked about the inactivity of Click being due to its being the perfect

> framework. The comments so far on this discussion illustrate why I made that joke. Click
just 
> works if you're a Java-centric developer who prefers to rapidly build a Web application
with 
> minimal HTML. However, I do believe Click has room for growth, and I would hate to see
it retired 
> at this point. I would be on board to continue the project, but I would need some guidance
on the 
> overall process. I hope others will join in too.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: tamasbalazs@outlook.com
> To: dev@click.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:08:58 +1030
>
> I agree with Mikhail at several points - Click works - its very basic, very usable and
very stable 
> - and that is why it rocks. If I were after a bloatware web-framework there are endless
number of 
> examples out there, but what I - and most probably the majority of us here - really need
is a 
> simple and usable one.
>
> Moreover, as it was pointed out well in several emails that the stalled development is
probably 
> originated from the fact that the framework does what it needs to do without any hiccups.
I 
> strongly believe that what works well and serve it purposes with high efficiency should
not be 
> compromised, or made to work "even better".
>
> Last but not least, should the framework goes to the attic, it wouldn't stop me using
it in the 
> future. On the other hand I am sure that should the Attic will be the final decision
- which is 
> not exactly the best way to promote any product - there will be several developers out
there, who 
> will need an easy solution for web development and they will just start making their
very 
> own simplistic stateless framework based on servlets and perhaps some open-source template
engine, 
> which will essentially pretty similar to Apache Click. Correct me if I am wrong, but
is this 
> really what ASF is likely to want from developers, reinventing the wheel? Probably not...
>
> Thanks
> Tamas
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: ingie@mail.ru
> To: dev@click.apache.org
> CC: board@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:39:14 +0400
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> I use Click for several apps for years. I started with 2.3.0 and now I use.... hm.....
2.3.0 ;)
>
> There are number of reasons that makes this project different.
>
> 1. Not so many bugfixes as usual. Because it's JUST WORKS. Apps based on Click are very
stable.
> 2. Lack of activity in discussions, no documentation updates, no new examples. Because
it's REALLY 
> SIMPLE. Look at Cheat Sheet pdf. It's the only documentation I read years ago. And that's
enough.
> 3. No releases. Because it's PERFECT. It's minimal stateless framework for developers
who needs 
> minimal stateless framework.
>
> From the other side.
> It's really no difference for me, for example, is the project retired or not. (Sorry)
Because 
> framework is perfect and just works. Next project I will start I will use Click. I will
not go to 
> Apache site for newest version. I will not use Wicket, for example. I already have one,
that fits 
> my needs. So, I think Attic is not the place for Click. Attic is the place for projects
with no 
> future. Click is the project with no further development. Maybe it's different things.
For the 
> first 2-5 years.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Mikhail Peresypkin
>
> Среда, 18 сентября 2013, 11:00 -07:00 от Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org>:
>
>     Dear Apache Click PMC,
>
>     Based on your board report for September 2013, I'm
>     starting a thread here on the dev list for retirement
>     of Apache Click.
>
>     If you have any opinions, for or against retirement,
>     please make them known. If discussion doesn't really
>     urge against retirement in the next week I'll call
>     an official [VOTE] thread with resolution to retire
>     the project to the Attic.
>
>     Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Chris
>     (on behalf of the Apache Board)
>
>
>


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