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From Sally Khudairi>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:14:09 GMT

"Napping" immediately came to mind when reading Jim's note <g>

I agree wrt "dormant"; although it is exactly what we're talking about, it insinuates something
negative. "Ripe" is hilarious.

How about something along the lines of "holding" or "at rest"?


- Sally

> From: "" <>
>Cc: Ingie <>; 
>Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 11:07
>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement into the Attic
>I like this idea, especially the relaxing of the reporting schedule.
>But I worry about the connotation of "dormant". Perhaps "mature", "sustaining", "stable",
"steady-state", "lasting"?
>"Ripe"? ^_^
>On 2013.Sep.19, at 7.16a, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>> This is a good point. Sometimes projects are just done, and
>> retiring them to the Attic does portray a project that
>> is no longer relevant or used or useful. Nor will people
>> pick up and start using projects in the Attic.
>> Maybe we need some other classification of project, like
>> 'Dormant'. These would be projects that could obtain the
>> required 3 developers and votes, but basically are
>> just done; their reporting could be every 6 months, etc...
>> Thoughts?
>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Ingie <> wrote:
>>> Dear Chris,
>>> I use Click for several apps for years. I started with 2.3.0 and now I use....
hm..... 2.3.0 ;)
>>> There are number of reasons that makes this project different.
>>> 1. Not so many bugfixes as usual. Because it's JUST WORKS. Apps based on Click
are very stable.
>>> 2. Lack of activity in discussions, no documentation updates, no new examples.
Because it's REALLY SIMPLE. Look at Cheat Sheet pdf. It's the only documentation I read years
ago. And that's enough.
>>> 3. No releases. Because it's PERFECT. It's minimal stateless framework for developers
who needs minimal stateless framework. 
>>> From the other side.
>>> It's really no difference for me, for example, is the project retired or not.
(Sorry) Because framework is perfect and just works. Next project I will start I will use
Click. I will not go to Apache site for newest version. I will not use Wicket, for example.
I already have one, that fits my needs. So, I think Attic is not the place for Click. Attic
is the place for projects with no future. Click is the project with no further development.
Maybe it's different things. For the first 2-5 years.
>>> Kind regards, 
>>> Mikhail Peresypkin
>>> Среда, 18 сентября 2013, 11:00 -07:00 от Chris Mattmann <>:
>>> Dear Apache Click PMC,
>>> Based on your board report for September 2013, I'm
>>> starting a thread here on the dev list for retirement
>>> of Apache Click.
>>> If you have any opinions, for or against retirement,
>>> please make them known. If discussion doesn't really
>>> urge against retirement in the next week I'll call
>>> an official [VOTE] thread with resolution to retire
>>> the project to the Attic.
>>> Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> (on behalf of the Apache Board)

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