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From Bob Schellink <>
Subject Re: New click user --> congratulations to the Apache Click Team
Date Sat, 06 Nov 2010 03:36:54 GMT
Hi Stephane and welcome,

On 5/11/2010 19:53, St├ęphane NICOLAS wrote:
> Hello All,
> my name is Stephane. I've been a java programmer for 12 years now. I never liked web
programming as
> I found web frameworks mostly bloated and encumbered by html-stateless/server stuff (I
> tapestry and struts). So I just stopped learning web programming 5 years ago and thought
I would let
> things evolve and come back to the web when programming would be easier,

One of the great things that happened is Firefox and Firebug. For me those two tools had a
impact on the way I do web programming. Together with the JS libraries (jQuery, Prototype,
etc) it propelled web programming so far forward that today I'd rather do web programming
than Flex,
Swing or pretty much any stateful GUI toolkit.  Off course IE6-7 is still there to spoil the
and ensure we work hard for our money :).

The stateless nature of HTTP also guarantees loose coupling, and makes systems conceptually
easy to understand. On the flip side the statelessness also makes it very hard (impossible?)
write very sophisticated (desktop like) UIs. I am wondering though if HTML5 and modern JS
are going to change all that. Time will tell.

Kind regards


 more object oriented, more
> intellectually attractive indeed. I mostly considered web programming as a step backward
in UI
> programming, mainly due to technologies that were never intended to do what we now want
them to do...
> And last 3 weeks I spent quite a lot of time testing the Apache click framework. I discovered
> people from Apache click addressed mostly all my concerns and
> found that Apache click is a wonderful component oriented web framework. In the last
3 weeks I could
> learn click and build a pretty complicated application (people, activities, participation,
> management application).
> So I just write my first email to this mailing list to say you how I love your work,
> I appreciate tremendously your efforts. It did change the way I understand web programming
and I
> know love that.
> (and also love JPA, almost for the same reasons, but that's another topic).
> So thank you all for your great great work.     Click is just smashing.
> I hope to provide you with more feed back on a couple of stuff during the next weeks
or so.
> Can I suggest new components or feature enhancements here ?
> St├ęphane

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