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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:48:57 +0100
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Subject: Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Apr 2013 ([ppmc])
From: ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com>
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I don't think talking on the dev list about retirement is helpful, it will
discourage people from participating. There is no imminent threat of
retirement. Poddlings can continue on in the Incubator as long as they need
so long as there are still mentors willing, I'm happy to continue as mentor
here for as long as needed, so so can Chukwa. Lets talk about things in
terms of whats needed to graduate.

There are plenty of small and relatively inactive existing ASF TLP's and
similar poddlings have graduated in the past and continue to exist ok.

Chukwa has shown continual activity here for 4 years so i don't think there
is any worry that the main participants are about to abandon it. Activity
has been low recently but people are still here doing things and helping
users. Ariel's mail here -
http://apache.markmail.org/message/5a3qmaph5bibxcqd - has a good summary of
the situation, but even like that there have been several past contributors
this quarter made new committers.

Lets wait and see how the two SJSU students turn out. Also, as Ariel
comments in the email link above doing another release would be a good way
to help others to engage and increase activity levels. It would be
interesting to hear from other mentors what so of activity levels they
would like to see. It might also be worth looking at some of the
alternative approaches to traditional incubation that have been discussed
on general@ recently.

   ...ant

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eric Yang <eric818@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree that the downward trend did not stop this quarter.  Although there is
> a lot of code modifications done in our labs, links to close source
> software made it difficult to contribute back.  It looks like I won't be
> able to contributing actively into Chukwa community as I planned.  However,
> I am mentoring two SJSU students for their thesis related to monitoring
> Hadoop with Chukwa.  Their work may bring new insights to continue the
> development.  I would like mentors to keep an open mind about this for one
> more quarter.  Thanks
>
> regards,
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
> > > With that said, we do need to be transparent in our reporting with
> > respect to
> > > the inactivity of the project and the community's decision to graduate
> > in spite
> > > of it.
> >
> > Looking at the decline of dev@ activity over the past few months I'm
> > starting to agree with Alan on the issue of graduation/retirement.
> > Quoting my message from general@ in November [1]:
> >
> >     The question here isn't about exact metrics or some predefined level
> >     of activity that the project should be able to reach, but rather the
> >     trajectory you're on. Is there a reasonable expectation that Chukwa
> >     can reverse the downward trend in activity? What are you going to do
> >     to make that happen?
> >
> > Unfortunately the downward trend has continued, and we don't have a
> > good idea on how to turn it around or at least keep it stable at the
> > levels from say last year.
> >
> > With over three months since the last non-trivial code change
> > (CHUKWA-565) and nearly two months since last bits of development
> > discussion (CHUKWA-679), the situation looks much worse than it did at
> > the end of last year. I would note this drop in activity in the
> > report.
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/q75bqeyxg3i5idqo
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
>

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