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From Michael Jaruska <>
Subject Re: basic tutorial
Date Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:31:12 GMT
hmm, i was in hope not to make spam but instead of (short) point to some notes
about using cayenne without modeler but just hand-editing xml files there was rubbish
about xml and editing them by hand. i'm editing xml by hand for more than 10 years
without problems and there's more efective formats for machines than xml.

btw: in cayenne i'm beginner, hibernate, ibatis etc i'm using for years and
yes, i (and in fact all my colleagues) am editing xml's by hand.

from this point of view, programmers of modeler are programming in wrong way...

On 22.12.2012 15:55, Tony Giaccone wrote:
> In fact I would argue that any system that requires you to edit xml by hand
> is fundamentally broken (I"m looking at you JPA). XML is meant for machines
> not humans, and if you develop an xml dialect to represent something you've
> only started your work. Never make your users edit XML. Never.
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM, John Huss <> wrote:
>> This message should be on the user mailing list, not the dev list, so
>> please reply there.
>> Cayenne is not primarily intended to be used that way, so there is no
>> tutorial.  It is possible to do, but there's not really a good reason to
>> for a beginner.  Using the modeler prevents from having to know the whole
>> XML api - instead the screens may it fairly easily to figure out what you
>> need to do.
>> Anyway if you want to hand-code the XML you can create a mapping using the
>> modeler (or find an example) and then see how the XML looks, then follow
>> the same pattern.  There is also a DTD somewhere I believe.  But you should
>> really use the modeler, at least until you get a hang of the basics.  Even
>> if you decide to skip the modeler later, start with it first.
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Michael Jaruska
>> <>wrote:
>>> hi folks,
>>> i'm searching for tutorial for using cayene without caynene modeler, i
>> need
>>> something like "download this jar, write this bean, edit this xml in this
>>> way
>>> and this is how you can access objects from database".
>>> i'm not fun of grafical/ide tools (writing this hope this won't lead into
>>> spam), just like hand-make work.
>>> is there tutorial with this aspect keeping in mind?
>>> please be patient to my beginer question.
>>> michael

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