Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cayenne-user-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cayenne-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B4D49E8B for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26609 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2012 09:34:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cayenne-user-archive@cayenne.apache.org Received: (qmail 26236 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2012 09:34:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@cayenne.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@cayenne.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@cayenne.apache.org Received: (qmail 26199 invoked by uid 99); 29 Mar 2012 09:34:22 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:34:22 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [89.245.139.70] (HELO mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de) (89.245.139.70) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:34:14 +0000 Received: from mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de ([10.0.50.3]) by mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:33:52 +0200 Received: from mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de ([10.0.1.3] helo=mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de) by mail01.hennig-fahrzeugteile.de with ESMTP (ASSP 1.9); 29 Mar 2012 11:33:13 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: lazy loading (slightly OT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:33:51 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6A04989A-8B34-453F-B3FB-7921F952C525@roxanemy.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lazy loading (slightly OT) Thread-Index: Ac0M++ABEgu+1ErmQEq2JQMY+QyYuAAj0bkA References: <1877667958-1332938437-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-468993985-@b12.c11.bise7.blackberry> <3155F8CD-DA5C-40FA-9D32-3A8246259F6C@earthlink.net> <28E12F54-3F1D-43DA-9A6B-7E6FDE889E0D@earthlink.net> <6A04989A-8B34-453F-B3FB-7921F952C525@roxanemy.com> From: "Durchholz, Joachim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2012 09:33:52.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DD7E6F0:01CD0D8F] > Every time I'm forced (for client projects) to use hibernate, > I find myself wondering how in the /world/ it /ever/ became > the dominant player in the ORM world. Hehe, me too. Jokes aside, Joe Baldwin has a point. I had to follow the leader myself, = since I wasn't allocated the time to do proper research on ORMs, and = even if I had, I hadn't known enough about ORMs to investigate in the = right directions. Anyway. The statement that "having lazy fetching is a specific advantage = of Cayenne" is still wrong, most if not all ORMs have that. You guys arguing that Cayenne does it better than Hibernate just proves = the point that Hibernate does, in fact, have lazy loading of = relationships :-) (Not that I'd disagree that not having Sessions is a Good Thing. = Detached Sessions suck, greatly.)