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From: Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
Subject: Site redesign (sans technical issues)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:41:48 +0400
To: cayenne-user@incubator.apache.org

Borut and Ari,

Thanks a lot for offering help with site design! I also appreciate =20
the focus on usability. I'll comment about navigation in a separate =20
message, here is general comments on the design.

* I like the idea of having disjoint content modules
* I do not like the look of the preview (I understand this was just =20
to demonstrate the idea). We may need to come up with alternative skins.
* Officially we are called "Apache Cayenne", even though we are still =20=

in the incubator. While we are at it, we may update the logo with the =20=

word "Apache".
* In the header we may need to incorporate the incubator logo (to be =20
replaced with Apache official logo on graduation).
* All documentation (probably 70% of the entire site) is served via =20
Wiki. So it would be nice to come up with a common look between the =20
site and Confluence. Just to give a feel of what's involved, here is =20
a Velocity template used by Confluence auto-export plugin to render =20
static HTML contents:

http://people.apache.org/~aadamchik/confluence-template.txt

* It would be nice to display at least the titles of the latest news =20
items on the front page.

Andrus


On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> On 09/09/2006, at 4:27 AM, Borut Bol=C4=8Dina wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> have a look at http://svarog.homeip.net/cayenne/
>>
>> Most work is to be invested in documentation section. Properly =20
>> divided
>> sections, PDF versions, ...
>> Also the right side is empty.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome.
>
> I think this is an improvement on the current site, but we could do =20=

> better in some ways:
>
> * the design should be css based, not a table based design. This =20
> will make it much easier to reskin and update in the future. It =20
> also makes it easier to add content over time. A css based design =20
> is better for accessibility reasons and better for printing.
>
> * it shouldn't be done in Dreamweaver which leaves lots of ugly =20
> javascript behind
>
> * I don't like navigation which runs in several directions on the =20
> site. Here we have primary navigation running across from the top =20
> left, which is limiting in its ability to expand to add new items. =20
> Then navigation at the top right which also runs across, but to the =20=

> left, and finally navigation on the right which runs vertically. =20
> The problems I have are:
>
>  - why are there three sets of navigation?
>  - what happens as we want to add navigation to levels 2 and 3 and =20
> they collide in the middle on small screens?
>  - what happens on small screens when you can't see the navigation =20
> to the right?
>
>
> I'd like to work with Borut and the advances he has made, and =20
> furthermore to sponsor our graphic designer to work on the design =20
> with us and the community. His work can be seen here: http://=20
> www.brucemartin.net/
>
>
> Cheers
> Ari Maniatis
>
>
>
>
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